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Getting rid of joists
« on: October 21, 2007, 08:54:53 pm »
There are many things that are great about this program but unfortunately there are a ton of things that are a real pain in the neck!  Somehow I now have multiple sets of joists, some 2x10 and others 2x12 running in different directions throughout my project.  I have tried and tried and tried to get rid of the wrong ones to no avail.  Then in frustration and exhaustion I go to close the program, it asks if I want to save it, I say yes, it says that project already exists do you want to overwrite, I say yes, it says I can't because it's already open - AHHHHHH! and around and around we gooooooo!

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Re: Getting rid of joists
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2007, 10:00:44 pm »
Hard to tell without seeing it but a couple of questions: 

Is it possible that you have created an enclosed space 'room' on two locations with the same floor level? This would give you 2 floors in the same space .

Re closing - could you have 2 copies of it open? Check the Window menu. If not,  save it as a new name. Really you should save and close any document before exiting the software - it can be risky to leave the save decision to the software.   

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Two locations in same space...
« Reply #2 on: October 22, 2007, 03:27:37 am »
Just to clarify...

Can TFP use the 'Classic' FloorPlan trick of overlaying multiple locations in same space ??

FWIW, my Medieval-ish plan had *at least* three locations at each floor level... http://www.flickr.com/photos/14100181@N07/
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;-( May be some time before I get TFP: Too many domestic interruptions to permit intensive use of FP, never mind learning 'new' program. Most of my forum time is browser left open, un-watched... )

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Re: Getting rid of joists
« Reply #3 on: October 22, 2007, 04:15:07 am »
Nik,

Yes it does - no problem! Up to 99 I think so you should be OK!

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Re: Getting rid of joists
« Reply #4 on: October 22, 2007, 11:45:56 am »
Starting from scratch I've created a simple two story structure with a 3 car garage on the ground level and a simple one bedroom apartment above.  All that I did was create the basic footprint and then draw in walls, nothing fancy, nothing complicated.  My structure is 27x40 and is oriented so that the 40' length is across the screen with the top of the screen as North.  The default 2x10 joists, though listed as set at 0* are in fact set at 90* as they span the full 40' length of the building (which is just plain dumb for this to be the default since they are much too small, heading in the wrong direction and there isn't an error message indicating too great of an unsupported span).

On top of all of that I have tried every which I can come up with to delete the above mentioned joists and replace them with 2x12's running across the shorter North/South span to no avail.  In some sections there are double joists at 90* to one another, in other sections they run parralel to each other and on the landing in front of the entryway there is one running at 45* across the floor.

In addition to ALL of THAT I also can't get all sections of the exterior to update the finish material.  On most of the building I could get the log siding I slected but about 25% of the areas just will not change.  Individual rooms will also not allow me to change their covering, I can change the entire floor all at once but not seperate rooms and I have attempted to use every option there is available and I've read and applied all the steps listed in the help files and they just won't change!  Earlier I had removed the floor above a staircase and now the floor is back and will not go away - again I've followed ALL the steps.

As far as closing the program is concerned I always save on my own and do not rely on the program.  When I tried to close after saving I was asked if I wanted to save my changes to "Project 1" even though I had opened just my project titled "3 Car garage" and that's what was still showing on the top bar of the TFP window.  I then selected "Save AS" and entered "3 Car garage" and was then told I couldn't because it was already open!  Of course it's open because I opened it, this is the ONLY project I have open since I am just evaluating this program with this project.  This started out fun but is now quickly turning into yet another futile attempt with lousy programming.  I am a video editing professional with many years experience with the entire Adobe Creative Suite of products with special interest in the Adobe Premiere Pro video suite.  I am therefore no stranger to complex operations or user interfaces and, so far, am finding TFP to be full of problems and issues.

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Re: Getting rid of joists
« Reply #5 on: October 22, 2007, 01:22:45 pm »
Just so you know I was able to FINALLY get rid of all of the joists.  It turns out that as I was attempting to change flooring each and every try at a new covering (wood, carpet, tile tec.) created a whole new floor with corresponding structure.  I decided to just delete what was there and start over; I deleted and deleted and deleted and then deleted some more...finally getting rid of all of them.  To me this is a GLARING issue with this program.  Never once did any of the rooms I was trying to change update from one flooring type to another unless I selected the entire floor of the whole building.  I tried to make these changes in a variety of ways and since each attempt appeared to fail how was I to know that I was creating a whole new floor structure with each try?  Without exageration I had to go through 20 or so deletes in one room alone to fianlly get back to a clean slate - this is just crazy and a major flaw in this program.  I was selecting "Hardwood Floor 1" and what I got was layer after layer of 2x10's underneath with no discernable change to the surface - very, very frustrating indeed.

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Re: Getting rid of joists
« Reply #6 on: October 22, 2007, 05:05:08 pm »
adrefs,

Learning a new program can certainly stress your nerves and should not be but can be difficult.  I don't know about all of your problems but let me try to help.

Individual rooms will also not allow me to change their covering, I can change the entire floor all at once but not seperate rooms and I have attempted to use every option there is available and I've read and applied all the steps listed in the help files and they just won't change! 

TFP see's all of the floor as one unless you tell it to split it up.  You should be able to do that by using 'Room Division'.  You find that under the Insert tab.  In previous versions you could use 'Invisible Wall' to do this but that is no longer a choice.

As far as closing the program is concerned I always save on my own and do not rely on the program.  When I tried to close after saving I was asked if I wanted to save my changes to "Project 1" even though I had opened just my project titled "3 Car garage" and that's what was still showing on the top bar of the TFP window.  I then selected "Save AS" and entered "3 Car garage" and was then told I couldn't because it was already open!  Of course it's open because I opened it, this is the ONLY project I have open since I am just evaluating this program with this project.

As far as the closing problem, keep in mind that when you first open TFP it has already started 'Project 1'.  That is the blank drawing area that you see.  So when you opened your '3 Car garage' project, you now have 2 projects open.  When you went to close the program it correctly asked if you wished to save 'Project 1'.  When you chose to name it the same as your garage project it couldn't save it because that project was still open.  Next time just say no to saving 'Project 1' since you aren't using it anyway.  You only care about '3 Car garage'.  This may not be the way Adobe does things but this one does in order to prevent a novice from throwing away something he hasn't yet given a name to.  It may seem like such a trivial thing for an experienced user to do but I see beginner's failing all the time to give a name to a file and then wonder what happened to their work after they throw it all away by not saving the project when they close the program.

I hope I have been able to shed some light on the subject,

MCP

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Re: Getting rid of joists
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2007, 05:52:14 pm »
Further  to Mike's comments you can turn off Automatic Floors - this puts the same floor through the whole building. You then Insert / Floor By Room and choose the type of construction. It sounds as though you may have been doing the latter repeatedly just to change the floor surface. If you want to change the floor TYPE for a room, the trick is to right click and select Replace.

If you are just changing the floor SURFACE just select it, right click, select Properties and change the Appearance -  this just changes how it looks on top not how it is constructed underneath.

I agree with you however that there should be a warning to say that "a floor construction already exisits - do you want to change it?" - I will add it to the Enhancement Requests.

Allan
« Last Edit: October 23, 2007, 07:13:14 am by Allan Chesney »
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