Piping for Underground Cistern and Septic Tank

[ahr8tch]

How would you show the plumbing pipes for an underground cistern and for a septic tank and leach field?

I drew a concrete-walled structure on the basement location drawing with a slab floor (haven't tried to put a slab ceiling on it yet) for the cistern and want to show how downspouts from eave gutters will feed it but can't find any plumbing tools or catalog items (or gutters and downspouts, either).  Will do the septic after getting the cistern done.

And while I'm at it, do I have to create my own exterior 6" stud wall with brick veneer?  Seems like the stud wall should be in the walls catalog as it's a very common construction practice.  I can always add the bv but it's a bit tedious when it could all be in the catalog and show up when framing is made visible.  What am I missing?

Could someone point me in the right direction, please?

rh

[Doug.S]

here are a couple answers

gutters and downspouts in catalog under plumbing, exterior

brick wall is a std exterior in the draw a home wizard so its easily available in the materials

[ahr8tch]

Thanks Doug!

I wouldn't have thought to look for exterior plumbing by going thru the Interiors tab to find gutters and downspouts.  I'll work those in now that you've shown me where to find them.  Still haven't found pipes for underground drain systems and other plumbing, though.

As for the wall, the BV is the easiest part.  I'm trying to figure out how to put put it in the drawing with the proper positioning of everything.  As I understand it, I need to put 1/2" for drywall on the inside, then 5-1/2" for the studs, then ~3/4" for sheathing and vapor barrier, then a 1" gap where masonry ties will attach to the sheathed wall, then the brick veneer.  What I don't know is how to make the components part of a single catalog item that will retain the character of each component so that the framing will show up when I use View/Show_Framing, etc.  It's pretty tedious having to draw all those components around an entire perimeter. 

I guess what I'm asking is how to create a BV wall on sheathed 2x6 studs with 1/2" drywall so that I can draw with the element and have everything show up in special views.  Might not be possible, but I'd think you could define a wall and its cross-section as a catalog element.

Thanks for the help.

rh

[Doug.S]

I'd suggest you read the help file on "walls" or similar

I think TFP handles an inside/outside wall like FP11 plus the guts view....but Envisioneer does the multi-layered wall like you want...I could be wrong.

Also suggest you look at the various walls already available and see if they meet your needs and if not, try modifying a copy version you can use repeatedly.

[ahr8tch]

Thanks, Doug!

I kept fiddling around and came up with a wall like I wanted.  I'm not entirely certain how I did it, but I think I right clicked in the Walls catalog on-screen then modified dimensions and the exterior and interior appearance.  I don't recall doing anything to specify that it was a stud wall but with framing visible the wall studs now appear.

rh

[Doug.S]

in the wall property definition dialog box there are choices for how the interior of the wall looks and framing is default...and you can change the sizes and spacing etc.

[Allan Chesney]

The Brick walls that are listed in the Exterior Walls are actually Brick Veneer anyway.  As long as you draw the four walls to join and make a room then the Materials List will show the studs and the bricks.  Interestingly if you do not join the walls then you only get the timber studs (no bricks) so if you have a freestanding brick wall (brick both sides) it still only shows studs in the Materials List.

The stone walls are also a stud wall, with a stone veneer (@ 30 cents a square metre - super cheap!)

I have put a request in Enhancements for a proper solid Brick wall.

Allan

[ahr8tch]

Learned some new things about walls the way the software behaves.  I now have the 2x6 stud BV walls in my catalog.

rh

[Doug.S]

Now for your other question on underground sewer pipes etc.

I have not done this, so I'm thinking out loud as how I'd approach this.

First is a 2D floor-plan view:  which should be easy...insert objects that display OK in 2D and position as needed, and/or use drawing tools (may have to convert someway so they print if needed, otherwise do a screen print)

3D may be more difficult but not impossible. I don't know of any "pipes" but often another object can substitute well.   I think you could use a column turned on its side for a pipe. Or certainly a .3ds import pipe.

You could render a 3D view by making the terrain with some transparency to show the "underground" pipes and other stuff underground....and add another opaque plane below it so you don't see blue sky thru the terrain.

Or alternately you could cut a hole in the terrain to "see" the underground plumbing.

[Allan Chesney]

I just posted a 3DS tube elsewhere on the Forum but will add it here also (only small).  This could be resized for the underground pipes etc.

Allan