Additional Catalogs

[Robert W - "robban"]

I have lover the camera to 2000 mm target height 2846 mm view angle 67 deg camera possion over the flugel,
level 5 1500 brightness 1,  
I have make 2 renderings with Daylight on test catalog3.png and off test_catalog4.png then have I make a new image of this 2 rendering with Corel Paint Shop pro photo X2.5 (Ultimate) 2 layers there I have lighting up render with daylight on with daylight off.
Result of this is test_catalog5.png. This is a combine indoor and outdoor lighting.


Robert

[Allan Chesney]

Hi Robert,

That is interesting,  the dark patch is still there even though you have lowered the camera below wall height - so that blows my theory out of the water...unless.... have you put a ceiling in or is that still the underside of the roof?  I have noticed patchy roof undersides before.

If it is still the roof, can you try it with a ceiling and render again with the camera above and below the wall and see if the dark patch is still there on the 'above the wall' image.

Interesting that daylight turned out your interior lights also, as it does with me.  I am hoping they fix that in the next version.  While you can blend them together in Paint Shop and it works well, we should not have to do that.  Setting the sun to overcast helps but then you do not get the beam of sunlight through windows.

Allan

[Robert W - "robban"]

If it is still the roof, can you try it with a ceiling and render again with the camera above and below the wall and see if the dark patch is still there on the 'above the wall' image.

Yes Allan it is still,´the roof, I had no luck with the ceiling it will go through the outer roof when I look use perspective view on the camera.
How did you do to get it fit the inner structure so well.
Robert

[Allan Chesney]

Hi Robert,

To get the ceiling to follow the roof you need to look at your roof settings; angles, distance etc and set the ceiling the same.

Allan

[Robert W - "robban"]

Hi Allan, tx for guiding with the ceiling,

same settings as befor, but now iI have add some more lamps.

Radiosity 1500/1500 konverg. 0,26 tim 815,5 s Raytrace 801 sek.

/Robert

[Allan Chesney]

Robert,

You could try just increasing the brightness instead of adding more lights as long as it does not overexpose other parts of the image.

The dark patch appears to have gone, now that you have a ceiling. It will be interesting to see if it re-appears if you render with the camera above wall height.

Allan

[Robert W - "robban"]

Hi Thanks to George Smith,  look at this topic http://forums.turbofloorplan.com/index.php/topic,1063.msg5121.html#msg5121 I fund this great sigt whit some free BIM Objects, this is not catalog but single files.

http://www.arcat.com/bim/bim_objects.shtml

download the dxf file it works nice even you have to fix the textures

Robert

[Allan Chesney]

Hi Robert,

Some of these look interesting but how did you download the DXF file?  
When I click on DXF, all I get is a long strring of text in the browser.

Allan

[diditn98]

I have not read through the entire thread but my concern is how to know what you are getting from the catalog. Is there a way to see a thumbnail preview of the objects other than using Jack Z's import and view in 3d? When I import a bed or couch I have no idea what the difference is between #1 and #6. I may be hoping for a lot but FP offered that info automatically.
Thanks for this wonderful Forum.
Dick Stephenson
diditn98@hotmail.com

[rgathje]

  I see no one has answered your question Allen. I don't click and download a dxf file. I right click and save target. It usually works.

 

[Draftcad]

Hi Allan,

CAD files can be expressed in two basic formats-->  DWG and DXF
DWG is the standard format and DXF is considered a primitive form of DWG--> DXF is formed by pairs of entities and settings, and for this reason, you can read it with a graphic program as well as a text editor
If, in your computer, DXF is not associated with a graphic program (as Turbocad, Autocad, etc) the DXF file will be opened with Notepad, or Wordpad, etc
You can right click on the file name and Save as or, if you prefer--> right click--> Open With--> use your favorite graphic program
Programs to open DXF files
- CAD programs--> as stated--> Turbocad, Autocad, etc
- Graphic programs--> Paint Shop Pro, Corel, etc
- A free graphic program (opens DXF and other formats)--> Irfanview--> http://www.irfanview.com/

Hope this helps

Pat

[Allan Chesney]

Thanks Pat,

Somehow my file association had been lost, so it was opening in the browser.

I right clicked, used 'Save Target as' and that worked.

We may have to be a little cautious with these DXF files however as the ones I have downloaded are very big, 2MB for what was upposed to be just a door knob (one I made myself in TFP was only 130KB) and 2.7MB for a gas stove.  I used two of the downloaded knobs and the stove in one model and the model went to THREE TIMES its original size. NOT GOOD!!

Actually I had other problems with them too: The door knobs, although listed as door knobs, turned out to be the whole door as well and there ways no way to set the knob to a different colour to the door itself. Being imported, the door won't cut a hole in the wall either of course, so I cannot use them. Also the gas stove was all one colour too, so it is no use either.  Apart from that the size issue is a real worry, but I have not looked at them all of course - some ofthe others may be usable.

Has anyone else had the problems I had with any ofthe other items?

Allan

[Draftcad]

Hi Allan,

There are a couple of interesting things regarding the imported objects and formats

As I wrote before, DXF is a primitive CAD format used mostly for exchange among different programs and it is composed by pairs of entities and settings--> these entities and settings they actually describe the drawing, layers, etc using words, as you saw --> therefore, to describe a gas range you need a lot of words  , hence the size of 2,697 Kb.
But, as an image (or a drawing) is worth a thousand words    .... if you Save As your DXF file as a DWG file (this means just a graphic format, without the "wording" of the DXF), your file will have 625 Kb (I know that you can't import a DWG object in TFP). And, better yet, if you Save As you DXF file as a 3DS file, the Gas range will have only 184 Kb
I imported several objects to TFP as DXF and then, the same objects as 3DS--> saved the files--> the difference (in the size of the file) is about 25% to 30% less importing as 3DS

Pat

[Robert W - "robban"]

Hi Allan
I only click on the the link dxf, and it automatic lunch the download, you can try to right click and download as, in the drop down menu.
I have try out some of the dxf-files but that is not all that work as it should, and is only dxf how work to TFP. dwg will work if you have some program to convert them to dxf. It was not so great site as I thought it was but some items is great, but it that look like the default color is purple on all dxf
Robert

[Allan Chesney]

Hi Robert and Pat,

When I click DXF I do not get the download option but right click Save Target As does download.

All the ones I have looked at are all one colour even though there appears to be two colour settings available.  Maybe these work in the other formats but not DXF, which is a shame.  Shame too that they are not available as 3DS, since they would be much smaller and also 3DS usually retain the assigned colours better.

Actually I could not see much there that I would use, as most are already in TFP anyway, or something so close it does not matter, especially if you have to worry about size and so have to set about converting to other formats etc to reduce it.  I did get quite excited about the door knobs, since TFP does not have them yet and these were double sided, but it turned out the door was attached too, so that made them useless!  Incidentally the new Envisioneer 6 also doesn't have door knobs yet, so obviously TFP V15 won't either.  Maybe the programmers do not have door knobs on their own houses (only on cupboards!) but obviously the swinging ability of the doors makes it difficult, so I won't complain. I prefer them to swing with no knobs than the reverse.

Pat,

Thanks for the comments about the differences between DXF, DWG, 3DS etc. I did know the basic differences but certainly don't profess to understand it all. The door knob I made in TFP was 160KB as a DXF and 130KB in 3DS, so there was not a great deal of difference there really.  Obviously on import TFP strips the wording and uses just the "drawing part" of the file, as the BLD did not grow by 2.6MB when the gas stove was imported, only by the 625K. My main concern in the earlier post was others downloading and importing these DXF objects, without understanding the file size implications and then find TFP grind to a halt and wonder why.

By the way, if anyone is interested in my simple door knob, I have attached it below. It will have to be elevated naturally and will not swing with the door - obviously!!  Maybe one day we will get knobs on the doors that do swing.

Allan