Windows in gables.

[jjocsak]

I would like the ability to place windows in a gable. I have an old Victorian house with 2 small windows in the attic that are on the gable end. Where I live this is very common.

Jeff

[Robert W - "robban"]

This is a exampel of gable window it is done whit defult projekt settings.
1. Copy grund floor ext. walls to second floor.
2. Work on second floor.
3 mark the walls on the long side, in the propertis of walls go to  Top and Bottom tab mark Level in Wall Top make the Wall Heigt for exampel 2" then hit ok.
4. In propertis for the gable wall you can change the offset of the Wall Top to make the connection between wall and roof better but I have use standar settings I the attachment, ensure that Auto extend is mark.
5 make a gable roof on top of 2.nd fl.
6 Mark both the Hip side of the roof go to roof properties and Support and Details tab, in support height make it the same height as the long side wall. You can exprement whit the other setting for the Hip so you gott the roof you will have. Hit OK. And now you have a attic
7 Chose a window and and fitt the level to the gable height, if you will have 2 windows you maybe have to changes in the roof and wall propertis to make mor space for the windows.

Atchment gabel-window.zip is the bld file of this exampel

Robert
 

[jjocsak]

Thanks Robban. You gave me some very sound advice. I on the other hand didn't give you all the information you needed. What I need in addition to windows in the gable is to have the gable a different material as shown in the example below. There is a problem with that because the floor on the upper room extends down and so does the exterior wall material. I guess I can make the floor thinner and drop everything down. I 'll have to experiment.

[Allan Chesney]

Jeff,

I think you must be extending the wall to the roof (wall properties) instead of enabling the Gable visibility (roof properties).

Allan

[jjocsak]

Allan that's the problem.
If you extend the wall to the roof you can put windows in but can't make the texture of the gable different.
If you enable the gable to be shown then you can change the texture of the gable but can't put a window in.

Jeff

[Allan Chesney]

Sorry Jeff, I missunderstood the problem. 

Obviously TFP thinks that if you have a window in the gable then it must be a room and hence a second floor.  If you create a second floor Location for your Attic (or whatever) with a wall height of only 1 mm (in my case - something tiny) you can then insert a window and elevate it into the gable part of the extended wall.

Allan

[jjocsak]

Allan could you send me that project? I'm having a hard time eliminating the floor space. It's being covered by the exterior gable material.
I have to be missing something very simple. It seems as though I can't lower the roof support to a negative number.


Jeff

[Allan Chesney]

Jeff,

Sorry but I didn't keep the file.  I just tried it and didn't save when I closed it.  How deep are your walls for the upper section? Mine were only 1mm (one 25th of an inch).

You probably had Automatic Floors turned on - this will add the floor structure below the walls. Turn off the auto floor and then insert the 'mini walls'. The wall itself also has to have the 'Drop Face' set to 0 (Properties Basic). Best to create a new wall for this purpose without the Drop Face and without the basboards etc. Set the Location's Floor Level height immediately above the ceiling height.  You can also select the walls and lower them with the right click Elevate function.

Hope that helps.

Allan

[jjocsak]

I guess the missing part was, if I can't bring the roof down I'll bring the wall up by changing the location level. I had tried all the other points you mentioned already but that location setting was last piece of the puzzle that made it work.

Thanks
Jeff

[Allan Chesney]

Or move the roof Location down - may be better.  Moving the rest up may give you a gap under the building.

Allan

[jjocsak]

Excellent point. I was trying to lower the roof itself instead of lowering the floor location.

[Robert W - "robban"]

Jeff
You will do the same as my last post paragraph 3 to 7 but you ad a new location attic.
Floorlevel for attic will be A+D

3 mark the walls on the long side, in the properties of walls go to  Top and Bottom tab mark Level in Wall Top make the Wall Height for example 2" then hit OK.
4. In properties for the gable wall you can change the offset of the Wall Top to make the connection between wall and roof better but I have use standard settings I the attachment, ensure that Auto extend is mark.
5 make a gable roof on top of attic.
6 Mark both the Hip side of the roof go to roof properties and Support and Details tab, in support height make it the same height as the long side wall. You can experiment whit the other setting for the Hip so you get the roof you will have. Hit OK. And now you have a attic
7 Chose a window and and fits the level to the gable height, if you will have 2 windows you maybe have to changes in the roof and wall properties to make more space for the windows.
look at attic 2 gable window.jpg
/Robert
PS I found the spell check but my gram sucks DS

[jjocsak]

Thanks you Robban. I will try this as soon as I get a chance and will let you know how it works out.

Jeff

[Robert W - "robban"]

Thanks you Robban. I will try this as soon as I get a chance and will let you know how it works out.

Jeff

If you will have a higher roof height on 2nd floor you make the attic floor thinner for example i I make the attic-floor 10 mm thick will I add 10 mm to the attic floor level A+D+10 then I drop the attic Gable wall auto-drop 10 mm and this will give you full room hight
/Robert