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Title: V14 - What's New, What's Changed and What Hasn't
Post by: Allan Chesney on March 18, 2009, 07:15:16 AM
What's New?

First obvious thing is the new toolbar icons, large and colourful - look nice but reduce screen space.  Also more space is lost as the new Help toolbar cannot be turned off or set to 'Normal' like the others so it pushes then further dpwn the screen. I have resorted to the tabbed view, much slower to use as there is two clicks required frequently but it looses too much space overwise. EDIT - sorry the Help tab can be set to Normal if you scroll one line in the Toolbars list.

Not so obvious is the name.  Was TurboFLOORPLAN. Now it is TURBOFloorPlan3D.

There are a few new tools.

A Surfaces tool - not quite sure how this works yet but but appears you can add different surfaces and slope them. With this you can slope a floor, or a section of it, Add an unusual slope to a roof or slope a ceiling

An Intersect Planes tool - extends and joins Surfaces - a new slope can be blended into the roof. The roof can be exploded too so each surface becomes a separate object so you can have a different tile on each side of the roof if you want.

Animated Tutor that pops up each time you use a tool. A little movie shows you how to use the tool. An icon for it on the Help toolbar turns it on and off.

Related to the Tutor is the Tool Guide in help which has a small animated illustration on how to use the tool - same thing as Tutor I suppose.

A corner Detailing tool for adding quoining, shutters etc.

New Footings tool - click a wall - footing is added.

There is a View Manager tool on the Views toolbar - opens a set of printing views and half a dozen toolbars. This will answer some of the plan print desires of some users but it kept crashing for me saying that Envisioneer 5 had to close! Shows its 'heritage'. The crashing may only be because I did not have a printer connected so will test that out later. (LATER: Works fine on my desktop which has the printer. Enables you to copy plans, elevations, sections, isometric views etc onto proper printing plans - very good!).

EDIT - THIS HAS BEEN REMOVED BY THE PATCH! This functionality and Vector Printing below, was accidentally included in the initial release given to IMSIdesign by the software program development company. It actually belonged to the much more expensive Envisioneer 5. Shortly I will post a tutorial with a way, though not as simple, to do a similar thing, without having to use other software.

There is a Vector Printing and Paper Shadow (?) option - have not investigated yet. See edit above.

Quick 3D View provides the old Floorplan3D elevation and isometric views - good for quickly checking around the model.
Material Paintbrush tool now has a check box to Apply to All Similar surfaces. In other works it will paint all the exterior walls at the same time for example.

Green Design is one of the main menu headings but all three option are just internet links. Not having the internet to that computer I do not know what they do other than what the website says.  Will have to check that out later.

New is a Catalog Search. Just remember a word from the element you are looking for and it will find it. Useful.

Import and Export BIM file - (Building Information?) Maybe the Punch import? Have not investigated this yet. (LATER - can't find it now!)

Right click has a Select All Similar option, so you can select one wall, right click and select all simlar and the Properties box is still available. No more shift/clicking each wall to select them all to change the properties- great!

You can now select a ceiling with framing - if you want something to hold it up!.

There is now an option to add room area, perimeter and volume to the plan.


What's Changed?

The elements panel is different in that you do not have Groups and Elements in separate panels. It is now a Windows type 'tree' view like the old FloorPlan3D. To me it is harder to use and you cannot just click on one and page through to see the images, you have to click on each. I prefer the old way. The Catalog Search is in this panel.  The Materials Panel works like it used to thankfully as paging through textures is very useful.

The Help is a new dialog that sometimes has a toolbar at the top and sometimes doesn't. When it doesn't there is no Index or Search - bug?  You can seach the printable User Guide - it has a word Find at the top. This is a bug.


What Hasn't Changed?

Still simple and quick to use but unfortunately all the bugs from V12 that I can think of are still there, especially in the area of Advanced Rendering.  This is very disappointing.  Although there are workarounds, it is obviously time consuming.  I have not played with the artificial lighting yet so no comment on that. (LATER: Artificial lights appears the same with the same bugs). Navigation tools are all still the same.

V12 files once converted appear to render VERY slow. EDIT - The patch addresses this and some crash issues with V12 files.
New files render quick.

Allan
Title: Re: V14 - What's New, What's Changed and What Hasn't
Post by: Nik on March 18, 2009, 08:55:24 AM
"Quick 3D View provides the old Floorplan3D elevation and isometric views - good for quickly checking around the model."

Sounds good !!

D'uh, I did not manage to replace my 'Classic' FP 10, I did not migrate to TFP _12. In fact, I haven't done any serious 3D since FP_10 ran out of work-space and ground to a halt. I'll go check TFP web-site before asking stupid questions about _14 import options...
Title: 'Classic' FloorPlan Users ignored?
Post by: Steve Clarke on March 18, 2009, 02:49:16 PM
The new TurboFLOORPLAN v14 has introducted a plug-in to allow users of Punch Home and Landscape to import their plans into TurboFLOORPLAN.

There is also still the 'Letter for 3D Home Architect Users' saying 3D Home Architect versions 5
Title: Re: V14 - What's New, What's Changed and What Hasn't
Post by: Allan Chesney on March 18, 2009, 03:38:42 PM
Hi Nik and Steve,

I suspect the FP import is dead. Really the wall tool is SO advanced compared to FP I think it would be really hard to do.

Import is DXF 2D and 3D, 3DS, SKP, Punch PXF Contest and BIM, whatever that is. It appeared  as the only import option on one occasion. It must only appear in some conditions or is an Envisioneer hangover. A few have appeared fleetingly.

Time will tell on doubt.

Allan   
Title: Re: V14 - What's New, What's Changed and What Hasn't
Post by: Voodooman on March 19, 2009, 02:48:11 PM
Hi Allan

BIM is Building Information Modeling and relates to pricing, scheduling etc.

i.e. Brickwork $x a sq meter

Its a quite vague term and can mean other stuff to, its supposed to be a bridge between the design and construction of a job.

It can even just be a list of the elements of building, like 360 sq meters roof tiles, 300m rough sawn 3x2.

Usually its todo with estimating the cost so includes quantities and prices of items e.g. 1 sq m of roof tiles = $30 therefore if we have 360sq m on the building we can easily work out the material cost of the roof, likewise to lay 1sq m of tiles costs $x so now you have the cost of the roof etc...


Regards

Peter

Title: Re: V14 - What's New, What's Changed and What Hasn't
Post by: Allan Chesney on March 19, 2009, 04:12:06 PM
Thanks Peter for the explanation. I had found out the Building Information part of the acronym but still had on real idea what it was. Makes sense now.

It also helped me to find it again - it is in the File/Catalog menu basically it allows you to export elements or materials from your catalog so another user can import to theirs. Could prove usefull.

Allan
Title: Re: V14 - What's New, What's Changed and What Hasn't
Post by: Voodooman on March 24, 2009, 03:15:39 PM
Hi Allan

I have been looking at V14.  Did V12 have worksheets?

I see that you can now draft complete plans but was not aware that this was available before.

Regards


Peter
Title: Re: V14 - What's New, What's Changed and What Hasn't
Post by: Allan Chesney on March 24, 2009, 04:16:58 PM
Hi Peter,

No, it was not in V12. Dramatic improvement for those who need the Print side of things. Lifted straight from Envisioneer I suspect.

Sorry about the gibberish in my previous message - predictive text entry on my phone! Obviously I did not read it afterwards! Will go back and fix it - if I can work out what I was trying to say!

Allan
Title: Re: V14 - What's New, What's Changed and What Hasn't
Post by: Voodooman on March 25, 2009, 01:59:24 AM
Hi Allan

The 2D drafting features appear to be straight out of Envisioneer 4, in fact the product is Envisioneer 4 which cost $1000!

TFP3D must be the bargain of the century!

I was an Envisioneer user but ran into problems of 3D performance and the lack of 2D Drawing and changed to Arcon.

I am being tempted back to TFP but how do you deal with performance issues?

When I look at the big sample houses, I cant seem to move around them at all even with a Phenom Triple Core, 2gb ram and 512mb vid card?

Regards


Peter
Title: Re: V14 - What's New, What's Changed and What Hasn't
Post by: Allan Chesney on March 25, 2009, 06:20:01 AM
Hi Peter,

Your problems moving around do not sound right. I tried opening all the samples on my desktop and laptop and did not have any problem moving around them at all.  Both have hardware acceleration on but the PC's themselves are nothing out of the ordinary.  Both about 3 years old, desktop 3GHZ 1MB RAM 512 video and the laptop 1.6GHZ , 2MB RAM and not sure about the Video - just whatever it came with.  Movement is not quite a smooth as some smaller models of mine but I could not complain as the difference is marginal.  I would imagine that the Office building I did (examples in the Gallery) would be more memory intensive than the samples but had no problem with that either.

As yet I have not experimented much with the plan printing etc other than to see what it does, but I did have some problems with it on the laptop as the printers are not working on it. I have not been able to sort the printer problem out yet but the result is that as soon as I go to the print options (in some other software too) the program, whatever it is, crashes.  In this situation, when TFP crashes, I get an Envisioneer 5 message.  I have even noticed Env 5 in some of the dialog boxes too and help panels, so it seems like a bit of a hybrid.  I know all the rendering issues in TFP are identical to those in Env 5.  Rendering quality appears very similar, maybe identical if using the same model.

Allan

Title: Re: V14 - What's New, What's Changed and What Hasn't
Post by: Voodooman on March 25, 2009, 10:06:45 AM
Hi Allan

I turned on the harware acceleration which was off by default and now it works ok.

On my old PC I couldnt use hardware acceleration at all which made TFP unusable.

I also had a requirement to do working drawings.  I did working drawings in Turbocad but it was hard work.

Looks like a bargain that cant be missed!

Regards

Peter
Title: Re: V14 - What's New, What's Changed and What Hasn't
Post by: crumbum on March 25, 2009, 11:11:30 AM
Howdy,

Just wanted to weigh in about vs. 14.  I've been using the trial version for a few days now and am happy to report that I have had no problems at all.  I actually enjoy the larger icons and it really hasnt reduced my workable screen size a noticable amount.  I only have a 17" monitor so the larger icons are easier to read.  I didnt have any problems with vs 12 either (other than pilot error whilst learning) but was hoping for expanded printing abilities.

I am curious about the "worksheets" mentioned above - where do I find them?  Can I insert border/title sheets into this program?  Seriously, the only thing I am bummed about with the modern TFP is the lack of the TurboCad Bridge that was in the older programs.  I actually was able to use the combination of old FP and TC on one project before I quit the business for three years.  I suppose one could print out his borders first from any Cad program and then print the Elevations, Plan, Section Views, Kitchen Cabs etc from FP onto those pre-printed borders.  I havent tried any printing yet because my HP DeskJet 1220C printer seems to need a driver for this computer.  Hope to get that going to I can report.

Below is a quick render of a StrawBale house and a bit of Landscaping I did in from scratch in less than two hours yesterday using vs 14.  I pirnted it out to show around at the Colorado Strawbale Association meeting last night.  Trying to drum up a little business.  Typical of Strawbale homes is the simple passive solar floorplan and large (3' minimum) overhangs to protect the walls.   

Randy
Title: Re: V14 - What's New, What's Changed and What Hasn't
Post by: Voodooman on March 25, 2009, 03:10:30 PM
Hi

The worksheets - click the view icon and the view manager appears, from the view menu - add work sheet.

For a title block 'insert/CadFile/TitleBlocks' and insert a title block and you have a worksheet.

You will find that the views are not dynamic - i.e. if you change an elevation in a model, the worksheet will not change.  Actually this is a good thing as would you really want an elevation to change without your knowledge or permission?

Regards


Peter
Title: Re: V14 - What's New, What's Changed and What Hasn't
Post by: jjocsak on March 26, 2009, 02:04:57 AM
Hi Allan

I have been looking at V14.  Did V12 have worksheets?

I see that you can now draft complete plans but was not aware that this was available before.

Regards


Peter

What's different than before in this area?

Jeff
Title: Re: V14 - What's New, What's Changed and What Hasn't
Post by: Allan Chesney on March 26, 2009, 05:30:18 AM
Hi Jeff,

Dramatically different.  Clicking View Manager allows you to add a new worksheet for printing your plans in a 'professional' manner.

You are presented with multiple toolbars surrounding a blank sheet of "paper" that has borders and some basic text, plan number etc. Click Insert Model View and a mini view appears of your model with simple selectors for 2D, 3D, Isometic, Elevations and Section view and all the movement tools so you can choose the angle, plan, elevation or part thereof that you want.  You simply select the view and scale you want and Insert each arranging on your worksheet. If you have extensive plans and you need multiple sheets then just create another sheet, Floor plan one, elevations on another, isometric on another, sections on another, cabinet details, roof construction etc, etc, each on their own sheet if you want.

If you want to add text, extra measurements etc or even adjust the plans or add to them you can then just print!  The image indicates the basic part of the process above but as you can see there are many more tools on the toolbars and I have yet to investigate many.

The worksheets are not 'live' in that if you change the model it wont change the sheet. You need to re-insert that view.  Obviously the best thing is to get the model right first or make any minor adjustments on the worksheet itself. Once the model is on the sheets you can 'explode' them so they become separate lines as if done in a CAD program, which really is what this is!

Worth a look if plan printing is important to you.


Quote
Below is a quick render of a StrawBale house and a bit of Landscaping I did in from scratch in less than two hours yesterday using vs 14.  I pirnted it out to show around at the Colorado Strawbale Association meeting last night.  Trying to drum up a little business.  Typical of Strawbale homes is the simple passive solar floorplan and large (3' minimum) overhangs to protect the walls.   

Hi Randy,
The image looks great and so quick to do!  Now it is just as quick to have virtually professional plans too!!  Hope it helps in 'drumming up business'!
All the best with it!

Allan
Title: Re: V14 - What's New, What's Changed and What Hasn't
Post by: TL on March 26, 2009, 11:18:43 AM
I've been using the trial for a while now and I notice that everytime I use the Shed builder or go into the View manager it crashes with a message that Envisioneer 5 has got to close!

I am running Vista 64, and i do have a printer connected. Could the be a 64 bit issue?

Thanks
TL
Title: Re: V14 - What's New, What's Changed and What Hasn't
Post by: crumbum on March 26, 2009, 04:18:31 PM
Howdy,

Boy am I having trouble printing.  I was able to bring an AutoCad Title/Border sheet into the program as a .dxf but it took several minutes to show up.  I needed to edit the text so I exploded it sucessfully but...
all of the editing tools became so herky/jerky I wasnt able to use that border.  So I tried the standard border in the program and was happy to find out that it would size to whatever printer size I wanted.  I set my default printer to my HP 1220C and picked a paper size of 13"x19" and did a print.  The border printed but not the floorplan model that was showing.  Not sure what is going on there.  I did read that I shouldnt worry about the size of the image showing on the sheet as it would print to scale no matter how it showed but...  I am used to thinking in terms of Model Space/Paper Space when it comes to printing so I was thinking that the border is in Paper Space but maybe not?   I noticed that when I select the border its properties also show that its scale is 1/4"=1' which it shouldnt be.  I would think that its properties should be 1:1

One other thing - is there a way to switch back and forth from View Manager (Print Manager?) to the standard Floorplan views?  I havent found it.  I actually have to close the file and re-open to get back to the floorplan to work on it.

I'm sure all of my problems are probably due to confusion and pilot error.  I have never been the natural computer wizard that some of you are out there.  I am curious if anyone has mastered this process smoothly yet and actually has done all there sheet setups and printing?   If so,  can you please give a detailed step by step on how to do this printing thing.  It would be most appreciated!!!  I have been at this all day...

Randy
Title: Re: V14 - What's New, What's Changed and What Hasn't
Post by: Allan Chesney on March 27, 2009, 03:07:52 AM
Hi TL, Welcome to the forum,

I've been using the trial for a while now and I notice that everytime I use the Shed builder or go into the View manager it crashes with a message that Envisioneer 5 has got to close!

I am running Vista 64, and i do have a printer connected. Could the be a 64 bit issue?

I am not a PC expert by any means, so I do not understand the reasons for crashes at times. I have not really used any of the wizards other then to try each and that is all. I did not have any problem with them.  Sometimes there are issues on some PCs with different things and sometimes the video card/driver is a problem.  An update of the driver can sometimes fix problems. 

Another easier thing to try though first is to turn off Hardware Acceleration (Settings/Program Settings/Graphics). You could also try the Forum Search on Vista as that has been discussed a few times. 

Do the other wizards cause it to crash?  What about when you just draw a shed or whatever with the tools?
Let us know if any of those things work.


Hi Randy,

I must admit I have not had any trouble printing from my desktop although I have not used it much. (Can't print from any program on my laptop at
present). I have not had any problem with 'jerky' tool either (have do you have HA set?).

To comment further on the worksheets and printing I will need to look at it further later.  I have played with the worksheets themselves quite a bit but not much printing yet. Have a big job on this weekend so it will have to wait till after that.

You can switch back and forth to View Manager by using the Window menu - it is just another window.

Allan
Title: Re: V14 - What's New, What's Changed and What Hasn't
Post by: jjocsak on March 27, 2009, 07:36:16 AM
Hi Jeff,

Dramatically different.  Clicking View Manager allows you to add a new worksheet for printing your plans in a 'professional' manner.

You are presented with multiple toolbars surrounding a blank sheet of "paper" that has borders and some basic text, plan number etc. Click Insert Model View and a mini view appears of your model with simple selectors for 2D, 3D, Isometic, Elevations and Section view and all the movement tools so you can choose the angle, plan, elevation or part thereof that you want.  You simply select the view and scale you want and Insert each arranging on your worksheet. If you have extensive plans and you need multiple sheets then just create another sheet, Floor plan one, elevations on another, isometric on another, sections on another, cabinet details, roof construction etc, etc, each on their own sheet if you want.

If you want to add text, extra measurements etc or even adjust the plans or add to them you can then just print!  The image indicates the basic part of the process above but as you can see there are many more tools on the toolbars and I have yet to investigate many.

The worksheets are not 'live' in that if you change the model it wont change the sheet. You need to re-insert that view.  Obviously the best thing is to get the model right first or make any minor adjustments on the worksheet itself. Once the model is on the sheets you can 'explode' them so they become separate lines as if done in a CAD program, which really is what this is!

Worth a look if plan printing is important to you.


Quote
Below is a quick render of a StrawBale house and a bit of Landscaping I did in from scratch in less than two hours yesterday using vs 14.  I pirnted it out to show around at the Colorado Strawbale Association meeting last night.  Trying to drum up a little business.  Typical of Strawbale homes is the simple passive solar floorplan and large (3' minimum) overhangs to protect the walls.   

Hi Randy,
The image looks great and so quick to do!  Now it is just as quick to have virtually professional plans too!!  Hope it helps in 'drumming up business'!
All the best with it!

Allan

I can't seem to get what your getting in that pic. Are you loading a template to give you the title block, rounded corners?

I can't seem to get a color 2D layout, just black.

When I click on view manager and then new worksheet all I get is a blank space.
You mebtioned that it should have plan number and text, which it does not.

Sorry for being so dense.

Jeff
Title: Re: V14 - What's New, What's Changed and What Hasn't
Post by: Voodooman on March 27, 2009, 07:48:30 AM
The worksheets are the same as Envisioneer 4.

When EV4 came out the worksheets would not print and I stopped using it.

I hope this issue has been resolved.


Peter
Title: Re: V14 - What's New, What's Changed and What Hasn't
Post by: Allan Chesney on March 28, 2009, 08:09:22 AM
Randy, Jeff and Peter,
A comment on each of your remarks.

Randy,

I have played with the printing from my own plans using the built in border (not tried an imported one) and did not have any problem. I left all the defaults as they were.  Went to Print Setup and chose printer, paper size (A3) and orientation and then Print and it came out as expected.  Only have an A4 printer so it was on A4 paper (surprise , surprise!). I also sent it to a PDF printer and that worked OK too so I don't understand why nothing came out for you.  I cant see any setting that could have caused your problem. Try the settings I have in the image and see if that works. Also check the View/Layer Properties.  That option seems to have ways to stop layers from printing, although logically they should be on by default.


Jeff,

To get the toolbars and page with the border, you must tick one of the boxes in the View Manager dialog (eg against Sheet 1) although it sounds as though you have done that(?).  This will then open the toolbars, page with borders etc.  Do you not get the toolbars at all and a page but with no borders etc?   Have you given it time to open fully?  it seems to take a little while sometimes. Are you able to Insert plans elevations etc into the "blank space" you get? Try with Hardware Acceleration off also.


Peter,

I don't know if it is Env 4 or not, but it certainly prints OK. When it crashes on my laptop (hoping to get the laptop fixed on Monday)  it says Env 5 but it would logically not be the full Env 5 version anyway, since the FULL version is now around $2,000. I have images of the dialog boxes and most of the toolbars from Env5 and they seem to be identical, but the toolbars are on 3 tabs (Draw, Modify and Tools with the latter displayed) so whether there are other options on the other tabs I don't know.

So far I find these worksheets work well and are fascinating to use, although I do not really have a need for them, as my main work is the 3D visualisation.

Allan
Title: Re: V14 - What's New, What's Changed and What Hasn't
Post by: jjocsak on March 28, 2009, 09:54:05 AM

Jeff,

To get the toolbars and page with the border, you must tick one of the boxes in the View Manager dialog (eg against Sheet 1) although it sounds as though you have done that(?).  This will then open the toolbars, page with borders etc.  Do you not get the toolbars at all and a page but with no borders etc?   Have you given it time to open fully?  it seems to take a little while sometimes. Are you able to Insert plans elevations etc into the "blank space" you get? Try with Hardware Acceleration off also.



Allan


OK let's do this the simple way, I'm not getting this and I don't know why.

Let's say I have a simple drawing shown in 2D with only the default view tab. (Lower left)

1. Click on the view manager
2. Then click on Views-Add Worksheet

Now I'm up to what you see below. What's next?

(http://jjocsak.smugmug.com/photos/499812371_4AZ2j-L.jpg)

Jeff
Title: Re: V14 - What's New, What's Changed and What Hasn't
Post by: Allan Chesney on March 28, 2009, 11:44:56 PM
Hi Jeff,

Well you are sort of there.  If you just close the View Manager dialog box then you can just insert your plans, elevations etc. as explained in the eariler image. What you have though is a new View not a new Sheet. For some reason your dialog box is different to mine.  I have a Standard and 4 Sheets to choose from.  Clicking the box alongside Sheet 1 provides a sheet with the borders etc, then close the dialog and insert the plans etc.

I thought at first that maybe you did not have the Pro version but I can see from the image that you do.  Where did you start the View Manager from?  I just use the button on the toolbar, but the View menu option still gives the same dialog box. Once you are in the worksheet view the View Manager dailog box is different - it only seems to show active sheets.  To start a new Sheet you have to go back to the model view and click View Manager from there.

All I can suggest is, close down, start a new blank project, draw 4 walls, click View/View Manager and see if your get the same dialog as me.  If you don't then I have no idea why yours is different.  What is your Virseion number?  Mine is 14.00.C.624 10 March 2009.

Allan
Title: Re: V14 - What's New, What's Changed and What Hasn't
Post by: jjocsak on March 29, 2009, 03:52:35 AM
Allan, that's what I did.
I started a new simple drawing and clicked on the view manager icon either on the toolbar or from the drop down dialog.
My version is the same as yours.
This is very strange that our views are different.
I also uninstalled and reinstalled, but that did not change anything.
That seems to be the problem.

This was the downloaded version that they pointed to in the confirmation email, not a mailed CD.

Any ideas? I could find nothing.

Jeff
Title: Re: V14 - What's New, What's Changed and What Hasn't
Post by: jjocsak on March 29, 2009, 04:46:34 AM
I solved the problem.

I uninstalled it once more, but this time I went into the registry and removed all occurrences of Turbofloorplan, then reinstalled.
Now I'm getting what you are and understand what you were doing.

Unfortunately the Help still does not work correctly.

Thanks for your help though.

Jeff
Title: Re: V14 - What's New, What's Changed and What Hasn't
Post by: jjocsak on March 29, 2009, 04:56:14 AM
The real reason was I did not have this checked:

(http://jjocsak.smugmug.com/photos/501023958_etXuM-L.jpg)

The template that has all those settings.

Jeff
Title: Re: V14 - What's New, What's Changed and What Hasn't
Post by: Allan Chesney on March 29, 2009, 05:31:43 AM
Hi Jeff.

I am glad that you got it sorted out. Mine is the downloaded version too. Thank for passing on the real cause too - I wonder how many other issues not having the Project template checked may cause? Good to know - another thing to check in case odd things happen to others. The user guide is pretty sparse on the worksheet subject and tools, isn't it?

Allan
Title: Re: V14 - What's New, What's Changed and What Hasn't
Post by: jjocsak on March 29, 2009, 06:03:56 AM
Hi Jeff.

I am glad that you got it sorted out. Mine is the downloaded version too. Thank for passing on the real cause too - I wonder how many other issues not having the Project template checked may cause? Good to know - another thing to check in case odd things happen to others. The user guide is pretty sparse on the worksheet subject and tools, isn't it?

Allan

Yes it is sparse, that was part of the confusion.

I wonder if there is a way to take an old drawing and bring it into the new template, so I can take advantage of the new features?

Jeff
Title: Re: V14 - What's New, What's Changed and What Hasn't
Post by: securejohn on March 29, 2009, 06:26:55 AM
TFP (v12) although a very easy program to learn to get the general floor plan and 3D views it lacked two features from my perspective...worksheets and proper section views.

I had an informal chat with the local planning officer with my proposals produced in TFP. This was mainly to get an idea if they would have any real objections. He was very impressed by the 3D views and indicated that they would accept the floor plans but needed better detailed section views. (So close but so far!!!)

I did purchase TurboCAD 6 weeks ago with the intension of using it to do the last bit. But because of a major software programming project thrown at me by work I'm currently struggling for time to learn TurboCad. (Also I'll end up putting function from the software that I'm learning into the software I'm writing. Don't think they will be happy with Cad drawing function in a customer service application! :o )

It's interesting that Worksheets have now been included. Can anyone tell me if the section view has improved?
Also is it a massive learning curve using v14 after v12?
Title: Re: V14 - What's New, What's Changed and What Hasn't
Post by: Allan Chesney on March 29, 2009, 09:12:48 AM
Hi John,

V14 is exactly the same as V12 with some great new features, notably the Worksheets. There are elevations and section views and these, along with plans, isometric, 3D line and colour rendered views are all drag and drop onto the worksheet for printing.

Once into the worksheet you can add box descriptive text and extra dimensions etc to elevations for example - they are added with just a couple of clicks.

If your council was close to accepting V12 prints they will go into raptures with these!
Unlike TurboCAD there is no learning curve.

Allan
Title: Re: V14 - What's New, What's Changed and What Hasn't
Post by: securejohn on March 29, 2009, 09:31:33 AM
Allan,

Thanks for the reply. Elevations in v12 is where TFP v12 made it hit. When I took the printed proposal in and put it along side photos that I had taken of the building, the original section on the plan print was almost as life like as the photo's

Have the section view been improved? In v12 they didn't really produce anything more than a basic lines and lacked detail.
Title: Re: Working drawings
Post by: Voodooman on March 29, 2009, 02:34:38 PM

I had an informal chat with the local planning officer with my proposals produced in TFP. This was mainly to get an idea if they would have any real objections. He was very impressed by the 3D views and indicated that they would accept the floor plans but needed better detailed section views. (So close but so far!!!)

I did purchase TurboCAD 6 weeks ago with the intension of using it to do the last bit. But because of a major software programming project thrown at me by work I'm currently struggling for time to learn TurboCad. (Also I'll end up putting function from the software that I'm learning into the software I'm writing. Don't think they will be happy with Cad drawing function in a customer service application! :o )


In the UK anyway, there is no official standard for working drawings.  For Planning purposes the requirements are minimal and generally relate to scale.

Turbocad is difficult to learn.  I put a lot of time and effort into it and got nowhere.

I would say that I find the 2D drawings of windows in TFP bizarre and the colours irrelevant.  I cant understand why they do not conform to normal practice, they are the same in Envisioneer.

You can use the worksheets and achieve what you want.  For UK Planning purposes, before and after floorplans and elevations and a plan of the plot and a short document are all that is needed - you can get the details off the Planning Portal.

I have never had plans outright rejected for either planning consent or building regs although I have been asked for changes/improvements.  In fact for building regs, the plans are even less of an issue and if you use the Building Notice system you dont need any at all (although you need to know what you are doing...).

Regards

Peter

Title: Re: V14 - What's New, What's Changed and What Hasn't
Post by: securejohn on March 30, 2009, 02:10:42 AM
Peter,

Thanks for the information. I have started a new topic
Title: Re: V14 - What's New, What's Changed and What Hasn't
Post by: Doug.S on April 05, 2009, 05:54:01 PM
I'm still undecided about updating to ver 14.

I'm not in any great need of printing construction views, and economics in Mich. has reduced near everything to no new construction nor any remodels.

With "issues/bugs" seemingly the same as v12, guess I should wait until a 'render bug' fix is released and I know it works OK (better than v12).

Any other reasons I should upgrade to 14?
Title: Re: V14 - What's New, What's Changed and What Hasn't
Post by: Allan Chesney on April 05, 2009, 09:03:21 PM
Hi Doug,

Difficult decision if your main interest is in rendering, as nothing has changed there that I can see, same issues, same workarounds.

Probably the most usefull addition is the right click option of "Select All Similar". Allows you to select all walls (that are similar) and edit them all at once.
The Surfaces tool is handy for making sloping floors such as wheelchair access ramps.  Theoretically it is supposed to allow you to also put other slope sections into a roof or ceiling, with an Intersect tool to 'join' them but mine, and presumably everyone else's, is locked to the ground level so useless except for floors.  The roof can now be exploded into sections.

There are 2 solar panels for the roof but no solar hot water system with external tank attached (such as we have everywhere in Australia).

The 'automatic' quoining and shutters tools may be of interest and a few new accessories of various sorts.

There is a area calculator that will just drop the name of the room and its area into the centre of the room, (also perimeter and volume - ideal for aircon calculations), but if printing is not your big thing, then that will be of little interest, as will the Worksheets view.

Backward steps, from my point of view, have been made in the interface - the tool icons are far too big and because the Help toolbar cannot be converted from a Tab to Normal, you are stuck with a tab view taking up even more space. I know you use dual screens, so the loss of screen space that has occurred may not worry you but it is certainly significant on a laptop. The Tree style for selecting elements also means you cannot 'page' through them to see what they look like, you have to click on each individually. The little animated tutorials in help are nice for new ones but of little use to you.  The Help Search/Index options in the Help are not there 99% of the time so help is very frustrating.

In summary: Some of the new tools and accessories may be of use and some of the additional right click options make things quicker, but in rendering nothing appears to have changed.

Allan

Title: Re: V14 - What's New, What's Changed and What Hasn't
Post by: Doug.S on April 07, 2009, 04:55:54 PM
"Backward steps, from my point of view, have been made in the interface - the tool icons are far too big and because the Help toolbar cannot be converted from a Tab to Normal, you are stuck with a tab view taking up even more space."


Thanks for your info.

Ouch! With dual screens I use "normal" (at least not tab) for everything which allows me to drag and place every tool icons bars....and I keep them all on my second monitor....and they return there nicely for every restart of the program...all tabs seems useless for dual screens.

Guess I'll still wait to see if things get better with another update.
Title: Re: V14 - What's New, What's Changed and What Hasn't
Post by: Allan Chesney on April 07, 2009, 08:15:22 PM
Hi Doug,

 I may have mislead you slightly on the tabbed toolbar.  It is only the Help that cant be set to Normal the others can, so you could still probably use them on separate sceens without any problem.  However because the Help cant be turned off or made 'Normal', you have at least one tab which takes up the space.  On a single screen the Normal toobars have to sit under this taking up more screen again and because the icons are so big they will not all sit end two and so you end up with two rows of normal toobars, navigation bars and the 'double row' tabbed Help one.  With 5 rows of toobars plus the menu bar the screen is half gone - well, that is a bit of an exaggeration but you know what I mean. I get around it on the laptop by having the lesser used ones as tabbed so they sit with the Help and navigation underneath as Normal and the building one vertical alongside the Elements pallet. Big complaints about it on the Envisioneer forum too as you may have noticed.

With a two screen setup however it would not be so much of a problem except for the Help toolar sitting as a tab.

Allan
Title: Re: V14 - What's New, What's Changed and What Hasn't
Post by: Kajvin - Robert W on April 23, 2009, 01:57:43 PM
I can set my Help to Normal so I have all tools on the second screen and a big working area.
But what i wounder abut is what is Punch-format and can it import skp-files from  Sketch Up 7
Title: Re: V14 - What's New, What's Changed and What Hasn't
Post by: Allan Chesney on April 23, 2009, 06:33:09 PM
Hi Robert,

Now if I had been intelligent enough to scroll down I would have seen the Help toolbar was listed and hence changeable. Will have to go back now and correct my earlier comments!

I cant help with the Punch question, I suspect it is a plug-in to Punch but have seen on where to get it from.

I have not had any problems importing SKP but not sure if I have tried V7 ones, I know V6 are OK.

Allan
Title: Re: V14 - What's New, What's Changed and What Hasn't
Post by: Kajvin - Robert W on April 25, 2009, 11:27:48 AM
Ther some diffrents from V14 build 624 and V15 build 637
This are:
Only Import / Export: DXF 2D and 3D, 3DS, SKP ( Real good on SKP 7)
Convert PXF no export only import her is a link to Punch http://www.punchsoftware.com/index.htm (http://www.punchsoftware.com/index.htm)

No worksheets (Bad thing) View Manager, only what you seen on the screen. Somebody had a hangover on
Title: Re: V14 - What's New, What's Changed and What Hasn't
Post by: Allan Chesney on April 25, 2009, 10:46:48 PM
Hi Robert,

I have both the V14 624 and 637 builds running and I was not able to find any differences between them in the Import / Export area.  All seem to be the sames as far as I can see. 

Convert PXF seems the same too.  There is little about this plug-in anywhere.  Nothing on Google, and site seaches on IMSI Design, Punch or Envisioneer (Cadsoft) brought just one line comments that it can do it.  Envisioneer said the most: "When you want to turn these drawings (Punch) into serious construction models and documents, you can use our free Punch Powertools plug-in which allows you to export a .PXF file and open it."  Obviously there is a Plug-in somewhere but no one sees to know where.

Yes the Worksheets are gone between these two builds.  I know it is a shame, but they should not have been there in the first place. V14 was delivered from CADSoft to IMSI Design with an Envisioneer 5 default template (or something like that) instead of the TFP one.  This in effect added this functionality but also caused instability too on most machines. Since it is a function of the top-end Envisioneer 5 program (at 15-20 times the price) it obviously could not be left there.  They are now looking for other ways to improve the printing functions in TFP without encroaching on the parent program's domain.

Allan
Title: Re: V14 - What's New, What's Changed and What Hasn't
Post by: Kajvin - Robert W on April 26, 2009, 06:28:40 AM
If you with help of  View Manager and 3d Quick View and print as PDF you can combin in Adobe Acrobat to one document as in the example below.
Long from a worksheets but a good hint how all will look like.
Title: Re: V14 - What's New, What's Changed and What Hasn't
Post by: Allan Chesney on April 26, 2009, 08:35:00 PM
Hi Robert,

Yes this would certainly work but as you say it is a long way from the way that Worksheets did it.

I personally do not have a need to print plans, elevations etc. but I know many do want to do this and I have worked out a way that is very similar to Worksheets and almost as good. You can still add text, dimensions etc and other drawing elements if necessary to the final drawings and you could make it look exactly like a plan to go to a builder/council and may even be suitable for that purpose. It works almost exactly the same as Worksheet and it is all done in TFP, no need to use other programs.

As soon as I can make the time, I will put together a tutorial on how to do it, as it really needs some screen images to explain it simply and I will put it in the Tips and Tricks section when I get it done. EDIT:  Here is the link: http://forums.turbofloorplan.com/index.php/topic,877.0.html (http://forums.turbofloorplan.com/index.php/topic,877.0.html).

Allan
Title: Re: V14 - What's New, What's Changed and What Hasn't
Post by: Doug.S on May 02, 2009, 07:07:07 AM
Tho I do not need to deliver prints for submitting to permits etc. I do need to convey design info on electrical wiring (wall sockets, switches etc.), plumbing, and HVAC....so I use Visio for all my 2D drawings.

But I'd be interested in how you can do annotated printing directly in TFP...looking forward to your tut.
Title: Re: V14 - What's New, What's Changed and What Hasn't
Post by: ApiAye on November 18, 2009, 06:58:08 PM
               Hi Guys.,

          I  am just looking around and I saw that this discussion is really interesting .,I wonder if can gather some details about my project . Especially in 2D drawings.,

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Title: Re: V14 - What's New, What's Changed and What Hasn't
Post by: Allan Chesney on November 18, 2009, 07:20:38 PM
Hi,  Welcome to the forum.

Not clear exactly what you were wanting to know about, since a number of things are covered in this thread. If it was the point about printing 2D, then I have added the link to the earlier point and here also http://forums.turbofloorplan.com/index.php/topic,877.0.html (http://forums.turbofloorplan.com/index.php/topic,877.0.html). If it was something else then you may have to ask the question again.

Allan