if you want some added 3D capabilities to use with TFP, go here and poke around; see tuts
http://www.123dapp.com/
Doug.S
Thx Doug, seems an Interesting program, I installed it and I will try to make some objects and then import to TFP
Hi Mocky,
Just a couple of things to bear in mind with imported objects. They can, though not very often, cause corruptions in the model leading to rendering failures. The bigger problem however is that they can dramatically increase the size of the model, causing a slowdown in editing and rendering so it is wise to avoid very complex objects or too many in one model, especially if you don't have a superfast PC with loads of RAM. They can seriously blow out the size of the catalogue too and have been known to corrupt a catalogue also. It is wise to backup your catalogue from time to time anyway, especially if you edit things a lot or add other elements. Making extra copies of the model is also very wise, even if you do not import other objects.
Allan
Hehe, don't worry Allan
I understand the rendering is too slow with more and complex objects, and we do avoid use a lot of extras.
I will walk step to step.
When I will design my home, for example, I need a corner sink for the kitchen, but for the moment I will start designing ashtrays and testing them.
Hi Mocky,
The reminder about imports etc was just a caution - someone one time imported a very detailed 3D tree and replicated it dozens of times to make a forest - the program just virtually stopped! As long as you are aware of the situation that's fine.
What is wrong with the corner sink arrangements in TFP? Or can't you just get the style you want?
Allan
Quote from: Allan Chesney on May 31, 2012, 08:58:31 PM
What is wrong with the corner sink arrangements in TFP? Or can't you just get the style you want?
I not know if I you understand (my poor english) but.... this is my sink (quickly design with blender)
Hi Mocky,
what would be your first language? (perhaps I can help with the translation) ;)
Pat
Mocky
Sink looks very nice. You should be able to fit it into a TFP corner cabinet or make a corner cabinet from TFP cabinets fitted together.....just turn "off" (allow) collision to overlap things together.
I have not done a special sink in several years and previously installing an imported sink would not cut out the counter-top..may need to check for that. Could use a floor or something from TFP that you can make a cutout...or even a simple model from Blender for the counter-top in that sink area.
You might want to do a test render in TFP too of just the sink as TFP does not do any smoothing and facets from a model sometimes render oddly.
Thx for the answers.
Pat,
I'm Spanish and I talk Spanish and Catalan. Normally, I can read and understand English text without problem, write is "another world" (Spanish expression for say "cannot compare").
Hi Doug,
I think I will not have problem, as you say, for do that. My idea is if the cabinet doesn't exists and have other that i like, export to 3ds, combine with another program and import it again. One comment, Doug, I tried to make this sink with the 123d and I not have obtained a good result.
Mocky,
Hablo y escribo fluentemente en espa
Many thanks, Pat :) I promise I will remember you.
If I need help to understand an expression, I will send a PM to you.
Much
Hi Mocky,
Sorry I can't help you in Spanish but obviously Pat can if necessary.
In the image below on the left is the corner sink from TFP - this is what I thought you meant initially. Then I saw your Blender image which made it much easier to visualise, so as an example in the image I just used the two side sinks from TFP and made the corner traingular sink by cutting a 'traingular hole with rounded corners in a piece of Floor. However, I then looked mere closely at your image and wondered if it was not actually a sink. Is it maybe just a corner draining board not a sink as such?
A draining board would be very easy to do and would just sit on existing cupboards and sinks. No need to make cupboards, sinks or have the problem of trying to cut holes in things, so the cupboard top does not show inside the sink itself.
Allan
Thx Allan,
here we say, a picture is worth a thousand words. ;)
Hi Mocky,
Same expresssion here and VERY true! (although in this case I can't be sure from the angle of your image, if the corner section is just for draining or is actually a sink)
Allan
Hi Allan,
This section is just for draining and the faucet goes in the front, near the two sinks.
Hi Mocky,
Sorry - I'm still trying to understand this.
Which is the front (where someone stands)? Is it the long edge of the triangular draining board or the short one?
If it is the short one, then the faucet would be in the way, so I assume it is the long one, which would mean the corner sink would be on an outside corner not an inside one (as in my image). Is that right?
Is your image, when stationary, the back or the front? Is the faucet in the corner of the triangle, so if it was on your image, it would be at the point where the two sinks almost meet and a person would stand opposite?
(I can't believe how hard it is to convery ideas accurately in words - or even pictures it seems!. I can understand now, how, when I try to convey something to a builder, he still gets it wrong! ::) Thank goodness we now have 3D models to get things right first - hopefully!! ;) )
Allan
Hi Allan,
see my last image
edited: changed the gif animated for a gallery because is too heavy.
Hi Mocky,
I think I finally got it! ::)
I know the sinks do not look quite like yours and the 'triangular draining board' does not 'drain' into the sinks as such, but it only took about 5 few minutes to make, using the built-in TFP components. I suppose it depends on the time you have available and how close up renders will be done. If they are just from a distance in a kitchen then close detail won't be seen anyway.
It could be made to look more like yours, with the 'draining channels' as well but that would take more time obviously.
Allan
Hi Allan,
I don't know if you are a Master or you are a Monster!!
What beautiful result with only TFP tools (and in 5 mins). I do not aspire to achieve10% of that result never.
I'm happy to stay with this community. :)
Many thanks Allan.
Mocky,
Your written English is just fine and understandable.
I think from your expertise you will do fine with TFP.
I have not tried using 123d with any other program.
.obj and .3ds usually work well between programs....but sometimes programs export files that don't work in other programs. For example the newest SketchUp output .skp won't work with earlier versions of TFP but SU can save to earlier .skp versions which do work with TFP...search this forum for answers if you run into that problem.
Thx Doug
Hi Mocky,
Quote from: mocky on June 02, 2012, 02:32:31 PM
I do not aspire to achieve10% of that result never.
I have no doubt that you will achieve similar results in a very short time. This type of image is not hard to achieve. I will give you the brief steps for the whole image - in case you or anyone else wants to try it out just for practice. It will obviously take you more than 5 min (that was the time to make the draining board and move it into position), but the rest was straight out of TFP so not much more than that either).
Draw 4 walls to make a room and click a ceiling into place (and a Floor if Automatic Floor is off).
Select a ceiling light and drop it near the corner - just in front of the cupboard fronts.
Select a corner cupboard and drop it into the corner - adjust its width to make the front edge only small.
Select matching straight cupboards and drop them alongside (if you have Collision on they will snap into place).
Select a single sink and drop one into each cupboard.
Select both sinks and turn off the faucets.
Now for the draining board.
1. Select a Floor (any), right click and choose Floor By Picking Points.
2. Click on one of the corners of the sink and draw a six sided shape for the draining board (Basically a triangle but with the three corners cut off - hexagon I suppose).
3. While still selected, right click and select Curve, click on the blue square on the straight edge that you made across the corners and curve each one separately (you have to select Curve to do each one)
4. Do the same with the back and front edges if they are curved. Move the edges in or out as needed.
5. While still selected choose Properties and set the thickness to about 5mm.
6. While still in Properties go to the Appearance Tab and set all four surfaces to the same Material as the Sinks
7. While still selected right click and Elevate to the height of the cabinet (876mm?) plus 5mm (this will lift the piece of 'floor' just above the cabinet). Adjust this a mm at a time if necessary to get it to align with the thickness of the top edges of the sink.
8. Choose a Faucet and drop it into place and you are done.
If you want to render it: Switch to 3D view, go to View/3D Real View, Select Advanced.
Click Options and on the Render tab turn OFF Daylight, set the Quality to 5, set antialias to 4 and give it a save as name and render. Depending on your PC it may take a minute or two to produce the image.
On my image you will notice a slight recess in the draining board - if you want to do that, select, right click and choose Cut Opening.
Draw a similar shape inside the original draining board to represent the recess. That will cut a hole. (That is how the original triangular sink was done but the piece of floor was 150mm not 5mm). Use another piece of Elevated floor to provide the bottom of the recess, set a couple of mm below to top of the first and set the appearance to the same colour.
I hope you can follow all that. It was provided so you can see how it was done and how quick it can be done.
Your 'Blender' sink looks fine and, as long as you can save it as a 3DS file, could be used with TFP cabinets. You will have insert the cabinets and then turn the Counter tops off (or it will show inside the sinks). You can use a piece of Floor, as described above, to create a new counter top, cutting holes where the sinks are.
Allan
No words....
Thx for the lesson Allan (and for your dedication).