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General Category - V.16 and Earlier => V12 - V16 Gallery => Topic started by: Michael_RUS on May 12, 2012, 08:05:29 AM

Title: Dwelling house
Post by: Michael_RUS on May 12, 2012, 08:05:29 AM
Wood-frame dwelling house in residential settlement.
Title: Re: Dwelling house
Post by: Michael_RUS on May 12, 2012, 08:14:00 AM
Several more snapshots.
Title: Re: Dwelling house
Post by: Kajvin - Robert W on May 12, 2012, 08:48:22 AM
Hi Michael
Great work  :)
Title: Re: Dwelling house
Post by: Allan Chesney on May 13, 2012, 12:06:57 PM
Hi Michael,

Excellent work and the quality is obviously really good! 

Can I just suggest that you save them again somewhat smaller? As they are Nnearly 4000 pixels wide, you can only see them in small sections and have to keep scrolling up and down a sideways 4 times for the small one and and 8 times for the others. If you make them about 1000 pixels wide, they will fit on most peoples screen as a complete image. A typical laptop now is a bit over 1300 pixels so with forum boundaries ,1000 is about the max to see them as one image.

You have done some very good work so it would be great to be able to see them as complete images.

Allan
Title: Re: Dwelling house
Post by: Michael_RUS on May 14, 2012, 02:41:43 AM
Robert, thank you.

Mr. Chesney, I am with you. Small pictures. Yes, Sir. Thanks for all your courtesies.
Title: Re: Dwelling house
Post by: Allan Chesney on May 14, 2012, 06:04:01 AM
Hi  Michael,

That is much better, still a bit of scrolling required but presents your work much better - and it is excellent!!  :)

I really like the attention to small details in the model (like the guttering, downpipes, plant boxes, garden borders, footpaths and realistic garden plantings) and the realism you have attained with the natural backgrounds and neighbouring houses etc.

Is this your place - or one you are planning to build? (or just imaginary?)

Whatever it is it is excellent work!

Allan
Title: Re: Dwelling house
Post by: Michael_RUS on May 14, 2012, 07:03:30 AM
Mr. Chesney wrote: "Is this your place - or one you are planning to build? (or just imaginary?)"

Oh, no, no... Isn`t my place. Just small sketch for my friend.

By the way, about picture (bottom). On top view all plants-flowers-trees are invisible(??? ??? ???), but  throw shadows. What`s this? Bug in TFP16?
Title: Re: Dwelling house
Post by: Allan Chesney on May 14, 2012, 08:40:54 AM
Hi Michael,

No this is not a bug - the plants are only 2 dimensional.  They are actually just cut out photos, same as the background image. They work fine for eye level views but the more you raise the camera the 'narrower' they become. They will cause a shadow if the sun is low enough (depending on season and time of day) but when the sun is virtually overhead, as at midday on the equator, they will not throw much of a shadow either or, if the sun is from the side, the shadow will be very narrow.

You will find if you use the 2D Designers Wiew they will be visible but this view is more schematic - no shadows etc ,

The only way you will see plants from overhead is if you use 3D plants (eg 3DS format) but these are not as realistic as the photoboard versions used in TFP unless you get very very large, detailed models.  I have attached some 3DS trees for you to play with. I would suggest you put them on a separate location and maybe just turn them on for the overhead views. They are very memory intensive and potentially make the model very big and movement very slow if you ise too many. Rendering too could be much slower.

By the way, please call me Allan - you make me feel really old calling me Mr Chesney!  ;)  Actually I am old  :( but I like to pretend I am not!  ;D

Allan
Title: Re: Dwelling house
Post by: Michael_RUS on May 14, 2012, 09:59:38 AM
Okay, Allan. "Mr. Chesney" is a courteous treatment to unfamiliar companion.

I`m stupid like jackass. Just several minutes - and I have found what I want: "General Category -> General Discussion -> TurboFloorPlan and lighting". Other theme, but very same questions. At all events, I really appreciate you made time for me.

P. S. Excuse me for my clumsy english.
Title: Re: Dwelling house
Post by: Allan Chesney on May 14, 2012, 10:43:11 AM
Hi Michael,

It is always best to err on the side of formality and courteousy as you have.  Anyway I am not longer "unfamiliar" I hope, so first name is fine!.  ;)

Funny how customs vary in different countries. In the part of England where I came from, even close aquanintences were addressed as Mr and Mrs and often we did not even know their first name.::)   In Australia, where I have lived for the last 58 years, it is just the opposite - everyone uses the first name, even between employer and employee most of the time too and you often do not know the surname! Mr and Mrs are only used here on very formal occasions.

If you are looking for help on different aspects of TFP, try using the forum Search. If you just enter key words, it will find them regardless of what the original question/subject was. Sometimes the original subject wonders onto something else, so the second subject would be 'lost' if it was not for the Search function.

Don't worry about your English - it is easy to follow.  :)

Allan
Title: Re: Dwelling house
Post by: the cad man on May 15, 2012, 01:07:16 AM
Wow Michael...

What great results!  I've only been using TFP for a couple of days, so I'm on a very steep learning curve at the moment!  Was all that done in TFP?  Including the downpipes?  If not, how did you create them?

Gaz
Title: Re: Dwelling house
Post by: Michael_RUS on May 15, 2012, 09:16:30 AM
the cad man wrote: "Was all that done in TFP?"

Yes, it`s absolutely true. All elements - from the catalog of TFP16. As well as including the downpipes. I created some elements self-done, but from the catalog of TFP16 once again (walls with different width and textures etc).  After a little while you`ll can do it likewise, Gaz.
Title: Re: Dwelling house
Post by: Allan Chesney on May 15, 2012, 10:17:07 AM
Hi Garry,

Quote from: the cad man on May 15, 2012, 01:07:16 AM
Including the downpipes?

I know it is a bit of an anomaly but you will find downpipes effectively hidden in Exterior Plumbing which is a Group under Interior Accessories!  ::)

Not quite sure how they worked out that one!

Allan
Title: Re: Dwelling house
Post by: the cad man on May 15, 2012, 03:03:07 PM
No wonder I couldn't find them...I'll have to spend some time searching through all those catalogues...so much to learn, so little time!

Thanks guys.
Title: Re: Dwelling house
Post by: Burgo on May 15, 2012, 06:55:36 PM
I like Gaz am new to TFP and in the early learning phase. A first I was frustrated with TPF being a long term TC user, however the more I use the program and with much appreciated help from Allan, Jack and the forum, the more I am liking the program. Sensational work Michael what photorealistic settings did you use to achieve the brilliant outcome? By the way Gaz, Jacks video's are worth purchasing they certainly cut down the learning time.
Title: Re: Dwelling house
Post by: Doug.S on May 15, 2012, 08:44:23 PM
Quote from: the cad man on May 15, 2012, 03:03:07 PM
No wonder I couldn't find them...I'll have to spend some time searching through all those catalogues...so much to learn, so little time!
Fortunately the catalog now has a search capability...so much easier than manually looking thru each category..."if" you know the correct name for what you are looking for...try several words (not all at same time) or initial parts of a word for best searching luck.
Title: Re: Dwelling house
Post by: Burgo on May 16, 2012, 05:43:51 PM
I found downpipes under plumbing fixtures / external plumbing.
Title: Re: Dwelling house
Post by: Allan Chesney on May 16, 2012, 10:59:13 PM
Hi Bob,

Sorry I threw you off on that one - my memory (as to what section elements are in) obviously cannot be trusted anymore!  :(  I suppose I remembered partly correctly - it is on the Interiors toolbar but as you said in Plumbing.

You May have noticed, or will notice, an issue with Down Spout 2. It has an optional Leader Tail, but enabling this would direct the water under the building. This has been fixed but the update is not available in TFP yet.  I have posted a BIM file with this fix in this post: http://forums.turbofloorplan.com/index.php/topic,2247.0.html (http://forums.turbofloorplan.com/index.php/topic,2247.0.html) so that it is easier to find, rather than being 'hidden' under Michael's subject.

Allan
Title: Re: Dwelling house
Post by: the cad man on May 17, 2012, 02:59:58 AM
Thank you Burgo, where can I find the videos?

Doug, I tried typing in "gutters"and got nowhere!  But I eventually found them...now if only I could get the guttering to meet each other! So much tolearn...my head hurts!

Michael, I'd also like to know your rendering settings if you don't mind...your pics look very realistic, while mine look stark and far too bright!

Gaz
Title: Re: Dwelling house
Post by: Allan Chesney on May 17, 2012, 03:20:41 AM
Hi Garry,

Quote from: the cad man on May 17, 2012, 02:59:58 AM
now if only I could get the guttering to meet each other!
If you follow the link in my post above you, will find the answer to this question - by doing the guttering in the alternate method I mentioned you will find that the gutters install all in one go and automatically mitre on the corners. All you have to do is right-click Elevate them to the right height.




Can I suggest everyone,  that if anyone has further questions about Guttering/Downpipes etc you raise them in this post ( http://forums.turbofloorplan.com/index.php/topic,2247.0.html ) as we have really got away from the original subject here - Michael's excellent renders.

Over to you Michael, if you would like to share your render settings (I can guess what they are but a screen print of the Render and Global dialog boxes would be ideal, as they have worked really well).

Allan
Title: Re: Dwelling house
Post by: Michael_RUS on May 17, 2012, 05:16:51 AM
Dear Gents, I shall be only too pleased to speak with you, but after a bit. Unfortunatelly I`m very much busy at this moment. It's a hellova job - chew up valuable time. Please, don't go away, stay somewhere near.
Title: Re: Dwelling house
Post by: Doug.S on May 17, 2012, 01:40:09 PM
Quote from: the cad man on May 17, 2012, 02:59:58 AM
Doug, I tried typing in "gutters"and got nowhere!  snip,Gaz
Yes search works as I said, but only if you know what word to input to search.

Tricks to use:
- guess as many (one at a time) words
- find something similar; it may lead to your desired object in a similar catalog location
- use parts of a word in case the whole word is not there

examples:
for downspout, search using "down" or "dow" or spou" or "rain"
for gutter; try "eav" or "trou" for eaves trough

Better to find more than you want to narrow down a search...try synonyms etc.  What works in one country may be called something else in another country/region...Google may show you related words to search with.
Title: Re: Dwelling house
Post by: Jack Zimmer on May 17, 2012, 04:03:04 PM
Hi Micheal,

Very nice work you have done !!  Great job.

One technique I use when doing 'top views' with ceiling turned off is to take a few 24" Track lights and elevate them to say 20 feet. Make sure they are moved away from the building and rotated to face the interior.

They brighten up the whole model but still leave interior lights visible.

Hi Gaz,

Working Drawing Videos are available here (for use with TurboCad Deluxe / Pro / Platnum

http://3dhousedesigns.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=32&Itemid=27    (http://3dhousedesigns.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=32&Itemid=27)

I'm happy to hear they are of help to you Burgo!! Thanks for the comment, it is one of the first I've received.



Roof Training Videos are here , for use in TFloorPlan / Envisioneer / HGTV Design

http://3dhousedesigns.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=31&Itemid=25   (http://3dhousedesigns.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=31&Itemid=25)

Jack
Title: Re: Dwelling house
Post by: Allan Chesney on May 17, 2012, 06:38:20 PM
Hi Jack,

Just curious: I have used addional lights before for general overhead lighting, but is there any reason why you specifically use 24" track lighting? Do they do the job any better or just a personal preference?

Allan
Title: Re: Dwelling house
Post by: Jack Zimmer on May 17, 2012, 09:55:15 PM
Hi Allan,

Of all I've tested they have been the best for 'aiming' and getting a 'downward' light fill and by default are set to a lighter color than many others. Of course to balance the lighting , they should be set to a higher wattage than others, so some experimenting is required.

Jack
Title: Re: Dwelling house
Post by: Allan Chesney on May 18, 2012, 02:18:51 AM
Thanks Jack.

i have never played with them before so may give them at try.

Allan
Title: Re: Dwelling house
Post by: Jack Zimmer on May 19, 2012, 09:48:26 AM
Hi Allan, all

In addition to Track lights, I've been using the Sun with Top Views.

You can see from the attached the differences each make.  1- Basic lights (sun off) 2-  Basic lights - Sun ON 3-  ADD Track Lights at around 20'/ higher wattage than interior lights (with Basic and Sun ON).

For Sun setting I use Ecuador March 22 (spring solstice_ or the 20th) with Sun at 12 noon and daylight savings time OFF. Gets almost straight down Sun (less shadows).

I have a number of lighting configurations all based on adding a track light. I'm still working on interior lighting with Sun ON with this method and have had some good success. The main concept is Simple lighting + basic rules = fast , consistant, semi predictable results.

One of my favorites is Destiny Fellowship hall in Illionis where I figured a way to get recessed downlights to show on the building and control both them and the Sun for casting shadows from a 3D tree.

Jack
Title: Re: Dwelling house
Post by: Allan Chesney on May 19, 2012, 12:02:14 PM
Hi Jack,

Thanks for the examples. They all look quite good but the one using the track lights is probably the best.
Let us know how you got on with the tests with Interior Lights and the Sun on. I am still hoping we may get some updates eventually in this area.

Allan
Title: Re: Dwelling house
Post by: gelagirl on May 24, 2012, 07:46:27 AM
Hi Michael
Great work... and btw welcome to the forum from me as well.
Title: Re: Dwelling house
Post by: Michael_RUS on May 30, 2012, 07:43:53 AM
Allan wrote:

"Over to you Michael, if you would like to share your render settings..."

My own kind of rendering. It`s not simple... It`s very simple  ;) ;) ;) Well, to resume.

1. Region location. My hometown - it`s my choise, but earlier I used default settings (CANADA - TORONTO) - pic. 1.
2. Date. Generally I use spring or summer months, but earlier I used default settings (first of july 2008). In my opinion, date is a insignificancy thing - pic. 1.
3. Time. Usually I use 6.30 - 9.30 or 15.30 - 18.30 - pic. 1.
4. I am of opinion that north direction is not importance thing. Turn the north about in order for your picture look well - pic. 1.

5. Always I use level 5, but different sizes of pictures - pic. 2.
6. Image brightness. -0.75...0.00 if daylight enable, 1.75...2.50 if daylight disable - pic. 2.
7. If daylight enable, then "partly cloudy sky" or "overcast sky" - pic. 2.
8. Antialaising.  Always 4 - pic. 2.
9. If you make trial rendering, use 1024x768 (rendering time 4... 5 minutes). If you want great picture, use "custom" 1600x1200...1920x1200...3840x2400 etc (rendering time 35... 90 minutes) - pic. 2.

Generally I make few shots (10...15) with size 1024x768 until give a good account of myself.
Speaking of rendering, usually I use advanced mode.

Thank you. I`m sorry if I`ve said nothing beyond what you already knew.