I am trying to add in "Corner Windows" where by the glass folds around the corner , without a rib, suggestions please
Thanks
Adrian
Hi Adrian,
When you try and put in windows they always have a 'post' like affect in corners.
This forces you to use other methods.
I think you are also saying you want continuous at the corner (no rib).
The one method I use is to add a thin wall (1/8") and set it to glass on both sides. That way there is no window to insert and the corner is all glass. You then have to add additional walls if you don't want the glass floor to ceiling.
I have attached an example.
To finish top / bottom I used the Trim option and added a 16' high 'Crown' on top and 26" 'Custom Wainscoat' on bottom.
Thank you Jack, I shall try it
I am having a similar problem...note the windows below that meet in the corner, and each window has sidelites...not easy to imitate within the software.
Gaz
I did one several TFP versions back and don't remember exactly how but:
You can try making the corner area from multiple locations (in same place) to build various parts in pieces to look correct (I did something like that)
Or you can export the two side windows and combine them into one model in another 3D program (or build from scratch or find a corner window via SU warehouse) and import into TFP.
Some great ideas Doug, I'll try some different methods and see what works best. Thank you.
Gaz
Hi Garry,
I have usually used different locations to do the top and bottom walls an just use two thin 'Boxes' set to glass for the corner glass. You can also use a thin wall for the glass but the walls can interact and cause problems.
Allan
Quote from: Allan Chesney on November 25, 2012, 06:04:19 PM
I have usually used different locations to do the top and bottom walls an just use two thin 'Boxes' set to glass for the corner glass. You can also use a thin wall for the glass but the walls can interact and cause problems.
Hi Allan,
Yes, I've read your method on this one and I think it would work fine if it were a plain glass window, but with the added complexity of the sidelites and the associated framing, I thought I may need to adopt a different approach, what do you think?
Gaz
Hi Garry,
You could try using an ordinary window as the sidelight alongside tbe opening but it still requires 1mm of wall. Since it is a once only window i would just use Members to assemble the hrame. Quite quick and easy using Duplication.
Allan
Okay,
That gives me another option to try...I'll let you know how I get on.
Gaz
Adding to this previously posted idea: "Or you can export the two side windows and combine them into one model in another 3D program (or build from scratch or find a corner window via SU warehouse) and import into TFP." . . .
I did a room end one time and modelled not only the windows but also the wall as imported .3ds or .obj windows do not insert into a wall like windows from within TFP....so you can model the windows and walls as a whole corner and it may be easier to "assemble" to the rest of TFP model when you import it. Be sure to set shading domains or add colors to your .3ds or .obj model so you can apply textures to parts of your model...otherwise you may have one object and can only apply one texture--not a good solution for walls and glass.
Thanks for your ideas Doug...I'd like to learn how to solve these problems within the software, otherwise there's no point in having it, I may as well just use the other program if I have to keep jumping out to it to make everything I need. But I can see how your method would easily solve this particular problem.
Gaz
Hi Garry,
The window in the image was produced quite simply in TFP without resorting to outside programs or even export and import - it just uses standard windows and walls - but does involve 3 identical locations. Like you I prefer to avoid other programs
How it was done.
Location 1:
Insert the main walls
Location 2:
Insert a corner wall in the centre of the main walls on Location 1. (Make it very thin and set all surfaces to glass).
Insert 2 sized windows into this glass wall for your sidelights. (these will automatically cut holes in the main wall also)
Select the glass walls and elevate to the bottom of window and set height of wall to the window head height.
On the glass wall set the Baseboard (left and right side) to a timber size to represent the bottom frame of the window
On the glass wall set the Crown (left and right side) to the same timber to represent the top frame of the window
Location 1:
Insert a Break in the main wall at the outer edges of the two windows.
Select these two walls and set their height to the bottom of the window. (makes brick under the window)
Select these two walls again and right click Duplicate to Locations - to Location 3. (these will become the brick at the top of the window.
Location 3:
Select these dupicated walls and elevate them to the window head height. (So they sit above the window)
Change the height of these walls so that they finish at the top of the main walls on Location 1 if necessary.
Hope you can follow all that.
Allan
Wow! Fantastic result Allan,and all within the software...it's going to take me some time to step through all that info a bit at a time to reproduce it, but well done. I tried one of the methods described above by Doug, and as you can see it worked really well except that I "lost" the masonry aspect of some of my front walls...strange! Within the "appearance" tab it says that the walls still exist, but maybe now they only exist in Cyberspace! Looking forward to seeing how to solve this entirely within the program. I'd love to see inside the roof space of this house to learn how the designer directed all the roof loads on this corner of the structure into the foundations...some fancy structural work I'd bet!
Gaz
Hi Garry,
It sounds complex in words but is simple really.
Three locations all the same settings (copy of Ground Floor).
Main walls on one, glass walls and side windows on the second and brick above windows on the third. That is it really. Only odd thing is that you change the heights/elevations of the 'window' section.
With the walls above the window, don't forget that they are not attached to the others so they do not make a 'room' as such. This means you will have to use the 'Force wall side to be Exteriot' or it will render black.
Don't know why you lost the brickwork - maybe another good reason to stay within the program! ;) I have seen similar things happen before.
Allan
Quote from: the cad man on November 26, 2012, 08:22:38 PM
Thanks for your ideas Doug...I'd like to learn how to solve these problems within the software, otherwise there's no point in having it, I may as well just use the other program if I have to keep jumping out to it to make everything I need. But I can see how your method would easily solve this particular problem.
Gaz
My approach to all graphics/computer work is to use whatever program or programs that collectively/singularly do the job the best/easiest/fastest/least painful/within my knowledge or ability to learn quickly....in other words if I was being paid for the work by the job, I try to complete the work in the shortest amount of time, yet please the client.
Sometimes I go in a different direction just to learn a new skill or to "play".
My approach may not be the best for anyone else and not likely anyone else has the same set of tools and will have a different base of experience in each of them than I do. So I offer suggestions knowing that is all they are; suggestions not solutions; because others may not work the same way....but if my suggestion sparks an idea to help someone solve their problem, then I feel good I could help. I know what I know because others helped me along the way.
...thanks Doug...I appreciate your input, and I tried your method first (with a great deal of success) as it made sense to me and I could understand it.
Here is my first attempt at using only the local software...I got close to a resolution but I used a "member" that was 5mm thick and glass to imitate a window. The result was that I couldn't move the sidelites right up to the "window" so I'll have to use a "wall" for the window as you suggested Allan (should have listened to your experience from the start!), then I'll be able to insert sidelites. Back to the drawing board.
Gaz
Hi Garry,
The other advantage of using a wall is that you can use the Baseboard and Crown Molding as the frame- although it is almost as easy to just use Members to add the window frames.
Using a member for the glass is fine if you don't have sidelights
Allan
SUCCESS!
Using only the software I finally managed to successfully make a corner window with opposing sidelites. As Allan suggested I used three walls, a high and low one above and below the window, and the window itself is a thin (5mm) "wall" of transparent glass with the sidelites sitting within it.
This now gives me the ability to create what I need within the software, or using external programs like the ideas I tried that were suggested by Doug...more skills means more options!
Thanks for all your help on this one guys, and my apologies Adrian for monopolizing your thread!
Gaz
Congratulations, looks excellent and good it can be done all in TFP.
Of course you also need to be sure there is adequate engineering/materials/analysis to be sure the corner can support the roof loads correctly.
You may notice in your starting picture the corner seems to have some corner metal; probably more than just a window frame and actually has some load support function too.
Just a caution if you plan to build a design like this; especially with the long span of window glass from corner to actual support walls
Hi Garry,
Looks good!! Hopefully you did not find it too difficult even though the description sounded a bit complex.
Just wondered about the name - somewhere near Tea Tree Plaza?
Allan
Within a Wall properties is the Trim tab. You can set options in Trim to define the wall so it creates the lower wall, the glass and the upper wall all in one shot. You then name the wall and by selecting it you can draw out the wall as needed, even duplicating it to a new location for a second floor.
In this example the wall itself is set to 3' 6" high, the the Exterior Trim is selected and under Crown a Border is selected that has been custom added to 10" high and set to brick, then elevated in the Trim option.
Next, under Custom, a Wainscot trim is made which in this case is set to about 4' high - 1/4 " wide and set to glass. It must be 'elevated' using the a Offset option to raise it up to meet the upper 'Crown - Brick' above.
Thats' it.
You can add a crown on both interior left / right along with baseboard.
Basically what you are doing is creating a short wall with a Custom - Wainscot acting as the Glass and upper Crown , custom sized to act as upper Wall.
What is nice is it can be renamed, added to walls catalog and it is just a grab and draw out process to create new.
(Sill is added as a Member)
Jack
Hi Jack,
I have done it that way before too but never thought about saving the 'wall' back to the catalogue to reuse. So obvious yet it never crossed my mind! ::) Thanks!!
Allan