I have TFP V15
I had to have someone draw my roofline because I couldn't figure out how to get the elevations and roof line to work. I have it in a pdf form to scale of 1/4"=1'. Can you import pdf's? I have tried to convert the pdf to dwg file but when I do and then import it, all it get is the writing on the paper, no elevation drawing. I read on here that it has to be a TFP not just a DWG file but don't know how to do that. I don't know what I am doing wrong. I also can't figure out what it means to get something to the point to trace it, either. Can someone direct me. I need to do this to make some exterior wall changes that will affect bids so I need to be able to print elevations to scale for the exterior work. TIA
Hi and welcome to the forum,
TFP will not import a PDF for tracing, only DWG, DXF and JPG. If you save the PDF as a JPG file, either by File/Export in your PDF viewer (if it has that capability) or by zooming the Elevation on screen and the doing a Screen Print (or use the Windows Snipping Tool) and save this as a JPG, then you can import, size and trace that.
However..... I do not see how this is going to help you. The TFP model is 3D and your imported Elevation is only 2D so would be laid flat on the ground, as the Trace option is for tracing the Floor Plan. As you trace, the program itself creates the walls and you add the roof usually with a single click when the outer walls are complete.
Going by the PDF you have attached, the building itself, although not simple, can be done quite easily in TFP and the roof is really quite straight forward, most of it should insert automatically with one click of the mouse, the only modifications needed being to change the automatic Hips it creates, to Gables.
By default the roof will automatically follow the line of the exterior walls so that needs to be done first. I can guide you through the process but you must get the exterior shape right first - the roof will then follow automatically. It will sit at the height nominated as the Wall Height in Settings/Building Locations.
When you are ready to proceed please post an image of your floor plan and a copy of the BLD file (or email it to me if you prefer - alches AT iinet DOT net DOT au).
Allan
Thank you Allan. I will get working on it like you suggest to see if I can do it.
If you get stuck just ask. ;)
Allan
Hahaha. Stuck that is an understatement. I have no clue, again. I am running in the same circle like I did when I first tried to do the roof. I am attaching so you can see the error of my ways, (which are many). I only know how to attach but don't know how to just post an image. I had the program do the auto roof again and then started changing to gables where I needed them. I got lost on the double gables on the front. I was able to add the clipped gable on the ends that I want, that was simple enough. The auto roof doesn't put the roof over the deck so I tried to tie one in, but still don't know what I am doing wrong, other than its not working right. I really am not good at geometry. :-\
Hi again.
Sorry but you did not actually attach anything!
Posting an image is exactly the same as a PDF - just click "Attachments and other options" underneath the text box and click the Browse button alongside the Attach box. if you select a JPG or other image file from your computer when you click Browse, it will automatically display the image when you click the Post button. You don't see the image until it is live on the forum.
Allan
Ok I'm not sure if these are going through since I go to post but then my computer states that the webpage is unavail after I hit post. I'll try it again just posting the pdf's this time.
The PDFs posted OK but they do not appear to be TFP drawings, as the appliances do not look like the standard ones in TFP. I will need to see your TFP ones to help you with the roof. They should post in exactly the same way as the PDF ones do.
Allan
The appliances are from the TFP so I don't know why they look different. Thank you for taking so much time to look at my project. It is very kind of you. Every time I try to upload my TFP file to the forum, it cuts out. I will have the file to email it to you. Maybe you will have better luck to post it.
Maybe the appliances look different as you have used different ones to the ones I normally use. I tend to use the same ones in each project, so I am not used to seeing the ones you used.
When I look at your plans again, I notice there are a few areas where the wall steps in slightly for example, or out (where the doors go out onto the deck), and maybe your roof is straight in these places. The automatic roof will follow the wall line. To solve this problem, when you select the roof tool, you can right click and choose "Roof by Picking Points". Using this you can just draw the roof anywhere in effect, to get the exact shape it needs to be - it should then form as you picture it. When you do this, bear in mind that the line you draw is where the wall normally connects to the wall - the eaves or overhang are added when you do the final join.
If that doesn't help, try emailing the file - maybe it is too big for the forum, although usually it would tell you that it has exceed the maximum size (4GB)
Allan
Hi Sally,
I received your file by email but it is not in a TFP format.
The file name should end with .BLD not .PRO - maybe you accidentally attached the wrong file.
Allan
Hi Allan / Sally,
Sorry to barge in, but I remember the files that you sent me in 2015 via Dave Taylor: I believe that you have TFP 2015, hence the PRO file.
Please, open your program => Help => About. You can see the name and version number of your program.
Hope this helps,
Patricia
Yes Patricia, I thought I said that I had TFP Pro 2015, but now I see that I listed it as TFP Pro V15 which must be incorrect way to say it. I apologize if I didn't explain myself better. I tried to do the roof myself so I could learn and understand the program but when I had to send the prints to an engineer for structural issues, she sent them on to her draftsperson to do the roof lines. Now I have had to make some changes and while they are making the structural changes, I need to get a elevation drawing so I can continue to get the bids I need. The trades want to see a elevation drawing to scale so I am now trying once again to get this done. All my files are .pro files.
And thank you Patricia for clarifying the issue. I failed to say that.
Hi Sally and PatriCia,
Yes it appears that is the problem and explains the different looking plumbing and appliances and also the file extension PRO not BLD. The file name should have alerted me at the time but didn't!!
Since the question relates to V2015, I will move it to that part of the forum and no doubt you, Patricia, can help Sally out with her roof quesion.
Regards
Allan
Hi Allan and Sally,
I will be glad to help, but I'd need to see the .pro file.
Can you attach it? (if you experience problems, zip it first and attach it after).
Patricia
Now that I am thoroughly confused on all the different programs ( why didn't they name them something different than 2015 and V15? All the names are to similar. I don't know where in this forum to find answers to my questions. I look at V17 section and now know that I can't look in there for answers but can't find a section for 2015. Can anyone direct me where to go for help on my program. Wish I had bought a different program. :-\
Hi Sally,
The forum is divided in 2 parts:
1- The first part (we are in the first part now) is dedicated to the programs V17 to V2017, as is stated in the title. This means that in this category, you will receive help for the versions V17, 2015, 2016 and 2017. The files elaborated with these programs have the suffix "pro".
For example, if you have a file called "myhome", elaborated with these programs, the file will be "myhome.pro".
2- The second part (where you placed your first post) is dedicated to the programs V16 and earlier version, as is stated in the title. This means that in that category, you will receive help for the versions V16, V15, V14,etc. The files elaborated with these programs have the suffix "bld".
For example if you have a file called "myhome", elaborated with these programs, the file will be "myhome.bld".
Now, in 2015 you sent your TFP files to Dave Taylor (TFP product Manager) and he sent me the files. They were developed with TFP 2015.
We know that your files are .PRO files, so, if you have questions regarding the PRO file, this is the place to post it and I will be glad to answer your question.
So, perhaps it will be a good idea if you post your file and ask your questions.
Patricia
Thank you Pat for the clarification. I didn't have you do the roof for me last year because I wanted to learn the program. However when I had to send it out to an Engineer for structurals, she sent it on to her draftsman and that gal drew up the elevations. I still want the elevations in my computer so I can make minor changes to windows and such but just can't afford another $200 to have the elevations drawn up on TFP.
I have read your chapter on roofs more than once in Learning Punch Software, Training, Tools and Tutorials, 2nd Ed. But geometry is not my strong suit so I have a hard time understanding angles. Some of my issues are: When I go to make the double gables, I stacked 2 walls. But when I put the different wall shapes to them, they didn't work. What did work was having both walls in the form of the gable wall. The other problem I am still having is understanding how the different roof lines come together when I am tying in another gable from a different direction. How far in do I bring it so that there are no gaps in the roof. Since I have some of the gables that are tying in at different pitches I can't seem to figure out how to get it to work. I am using the 2D/3D screen to help with it as I move the roof line. I am also trying to figure out how to do a clipped gable on the main roof line but they are not working out either. Thank you.
Hi Sally,
Good to know that you checked the project with a professional, although it was expensive :)
Quote from: sweetsally623 on January 25, 2017, 06:25:29 PM
I have read your chapter on roofs more than once in Learning Punch Software, Training, Tools and Tutorials, 2nd Ed.
The eBook that you mention is not related with your program. The correct eBook for your program is https://www.turbocad.com/training-certification/turbofloorplan-training-and-tutorials.html
Quote from: sweetsally623 on January 25, 2017, 06:25:29 PM
Some of my issues are: When I go to make the double gables, I stacked 2 walls. But when I put the different wall shapes to them, they didn't work. What did work was having both walls in the form of the gable wall.
Stack a double pitched wall and a gable wall. In the eBook that you have, you will find how to do this in the page 55, in the section called "double gable walls"
Quote from: sweetsally623 on January 25, 2017, 06:25:29 PM
The other problem I am still having is understanding how the different roof lines come together when I am tying in another gable from a different direction. How far in do I bring it so that there are no gaps in the roof. Since I have some of the gables that are tying in at different pitches I can't seem to figure out how to get it to work. I am using the 2D/3D screen to help with it as I move the roof line.
I checked your plan and the roof you did => you need to match the roofs elevations as well as the ridges' elevations. If they don't match, move the points using the arrow keys until the you coordinate the elevations.
Quote from: sweetsally623 on January 25, 2017, 06:25:29 PM
I am also trying to figure out how to do a clipped gable on the main roof line but they are not working out either.
Use freehand roofs => insert points and again, select the points => use the arrow keys (keyboard)
Hope this helps
Patricia
Thanks Pat, Wow you have given me a lot to digest and I think it will take me more time than I have to get this to work, unfortunately. I had to send the prints to an engineer because I had to have structural drawings and it was expensive but cheaper since I had drawn the print. Thank you for your assistance
You're welcome :-)
Patricia