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#41
V17 - 2026 Looking for Help? / Re: Crash to Desktop when atte...
Last post by Patricia G. - November 01, 2024, 07:56:16 AMHi there,
Analyze Components vs Light emissions.
Quote from: Patricia G. on October 30, 2024, 09:57:12 PMDon't use the lighting tools if you are going to use Photo Render. You will get better results applying light emission effects to surfaces like light bulbs.
If I just want to brighten up an area I do use point lights sometimes (in ambient mode only).
Analyze Components vs Light emissions.
#42
V17 - 2026 Looking for Help? / Re: Crash to Desktop when atte...
Last post by Rob Ainscough - October 31, 2024, 11:44:18 PMThanks for your help Patricia. I took a look at your edited version and the table lamps render well but I'm unable to see what lighting you applied to them? There lights aren't identified at all.
As you can see no light definition in your file but it does render??
Here is my original version I sent you:
As you can see, the lights are defined and I can select them and adjust as need, can't do that with your file?
I was able to get the 3D Custom Workshop to work.
Rob.
As you can see no light definition in your file but it does render??
Here is my original version I sent you:
As you can see, the lights are defined and I can select them and adjust as need, can't do that with your file?
I was able to get the 3D Custom Workshop to work.
Rob.
#43
V17 - 2026 Looking for Help? / Re: Crash to Desktop when atte...
Last post by Patricia G. - October 31, 2024, 04:32:14 PMHi there,
First a very important note: I am not an IMSI employee. I am just a volunteer moderator here. So, in this context, "my website" is www.punchhelpers.com
IMSI is not my website.
I think that in order to start, you need to verify what elements are included in your current program and then check the User Guide to learn about the available interior/ exterior lighting / rendering processes, options and combinations. I can't answer some of your questions because the concepts are different and belong to different features.
I'd recommend to contact the sales department to see the available options to upgrade your program. I am not authorized to sell programs.
First a very important note: I am not an IMSI employee. I am just a volunteer moderator here. So, in this context, "my website" is www.punchhelpers.com
IMSI is not my website.
I think that in order to start, you need to verify what elements are included in your current program and then check the User Guide to learn about the available interior/ exterior lighting / rendering processes, options and combinations. I can't answer some of your questions because the concepts are different and belong to different features.
I'd recommend to contact the sales department to see the available options to upgrade your program. I am not authorized to sell programs.
#44
V17 - 2026 Looking for Help? / Re: Crash to Desktop when atte...
Last post by Rob Ainscough - October 31, 2024, 03:01:56 PMHi Patricia,
Thanks for the response.
1. Yes, I discovered Denoiser needs to be at High but that still produces a "fuzzy" image.
2. Ok, but Final Render mode does seem to take much longer than the "Render Preview", however resulting images is the same with either mode?
3. Not sure what you mean by "lighting tools", but I do use Lights and place light types (such as bulbs or directional). What I've noticed is that placement of these lights is critical ... as in the table lights, they need to be placed either just a little above the lamp object or a little below and in some cases I will need two light sources to simulate a single table lamp.
4. Yes, I'm discovering that more lighting tends to produce faster/better renders. Will try final render time to 60 min but I had it set to 3000 seconds (50 min) and results didn't look much different from 15 min.
5. Will try gamma correction values and report back.
6. Ok will try setting object quality down for test renders
Some issues still pending:
A. When setting sun position and other values nothing changes for rooms with Windows? Windows don't seem to allow light into the rooms? I've adjust the location and time zone etc. but still not getting any light thru windows?
B. Still get CTD for 3D Texture render when using my AMD PC (pre my original post). On my Intel PC it works but about the only change I see with doing a render with 3D Texture mode are light and light shadows and they are hard edges.
C. Since render is all software/CPU intensive, I noticed that only one CPU core is used, my 15 other CPU cores have no activity? My expectation was to see ALL CPU cores working on a render which would cut a 60 minute job down to just a few minutes.
D. I still seem unable to create my own 3D objects for use in Floorplan? I see it defined in the manual but not available in my Pro version? After looking at your website, it seems Customer Workshop Pro and LuxCore are not a part of my original purchase?
I did notice that when I applied material/paint to walls and flooring (carpet) I get a better render.
I did look at your Floorplan 2024 "upgrade" option, but after looking at your 2024 product videos I don't really see anything new? Export render to JPG (image file) ... I can do that with a simple screen capture, hardly a new feature. I didn't see anything mention of 2024 increasing performance by threading out to multiple cores?
In addition, the library of objects that come with my Pro version of 2022 are pretty limited, are there any add-ons for object library beyond what I have in the Pro version?
I'm certainly willing to upgrade to 2024 with Workshop Pro and LuxCore if it will improve my experience, but I need some of my above questions/concerns answered.
Rob
Thanks for the response.
1. Yes, I discovered Denoiser needs to be at High but that still produces a "fuzzy" image.
2. Ok, but Final Render mode does seem to take much longer than the "Render Preview", however resulting images is the same with either mode?
3. Not sure what you mean by "lighting tools", but I do use Lights and place light types (such as bulbs or directional). What I've noticed is that placement of these lights is critical ... as in the table lights, they need to be placed either just a little above the lamp object or a little below and in some cases I will need two light sources to simulate a single table lamp.
4. Yes, I'm discovering that more lighting tends to produce faster/better renders. Will try final render time to 60 min but I had it set to 3000 seconds (50 min) and results didn't look much different from 15 min.
5. Will try gamma correction values and report back.
6. Ok will try setting object quality down for test renders
Some issues still pending:
A. When setting sun position and other values nothing changes for rooms with Windows? Windows don't seem to allow light into the rooms? I've adjust the location and time zone etc. but still not getting any light thru windows?
B. Still get CTD for 3D Texture render when using my AMD PC (pre my original post). On my Intel PC it works but about the only change I see with doing a render with 3D Texture mode are light and light shadows and they are hard edges.
C. Since render is all software/CPU intensive, I noticed that only one CPU core is used, my 15 other CPU cores have no activity? My expectation was to see ALL CPU cores working on a render which would cut a 60 minute job down to just a few minutes.
D. I still seem unable to create my own 3D objects for use in Floorplan? I see it defined in the manual but not available in my Pro version? After looking at your website, it seems Customer Workshop Pro and LuxCore are not a part of my original purchase?
I did notice that when I applied material/paint to walls and flooring (carpet) I get a better render.
I did look at your Floorplan 2024 "upgrade" option, but after looking at your 2024 product videos I don't really see anything new? Export render to JPG (image file) ... I can do that with a simple screen capture, hardly a new feature. I didn't see anything mention of 2024 increasing performance by threading out to multiple cores?
In addition, the library of objects that come with my Pro version of 2022 are pretty limited, are there any add-ons for object library beyond what I have in the Pro version?
I'm certainly willing to upgrade to 2024 with Workshop Pro and LuxCore if it will improve my experience, but I need some of my above questions/concerns answered.
Rob
#45
V17 - 2026 Looking for Help? / Re: Crash to Desktop when atte...
Last post by Patricia G. - October 30, 2024, 09:57:12 PMHi there,
The file worked fine in our computers, so the programmer MH checked the settings and found several issues, detailed below.
First of all, notice that 3D rendering and Photorealistic rendering use different processes that you need to set separately.
Tips and notes
1. Denoiser is off - this needs to be set to high. That is what is causing all the dead pixels.
2. If you have the Photo Render option forget the standard final rendering mode.
3. Don't use the lighting tools if you are going to use Photo Render. You will get better results applying light emission effects to surfaces like light bulbs.
If I just want to brighten up an area I do use point lights sometimes (in ambient mode only).
4. The lower the lighting the longer the render takes to resolve out of that paintbrush look. When I'm ready to present to client I'll set final render time to at least 30 minutes, up to an hour.
5. I turn gamma correction up to 3/4th, or higher for interior shots.
6. Turn object quality down while creating the design. Quality will be automatically set to high when exporting final render image.
In your edited file (attached), MH did the above steps and exported a 10 minute render. You can see also the rendered image (attached).
FloorPlan, as any program, has a learning curve. The best way to learn the program, IMO, is practice + practice + practice => Read and follow the manual (this is important) => try to create elements not related with your project, so you will become familiar with the commands and how to manage the different components and settings.
If you are interested, check my eBooks, exclusive for FP users
Hope this helps.
The file worked fine in our computers, so the programmer MH checked the settings and found several issues, detailed below.
First of all, notice that 3D rendering and Photorealistic rendering use different processes that you need to set separately.
Tips and notes
1. Denoiser is off - this needs to be set to high. That is what is causing all the dead pixels.
2. If you have the Photo Render option forget the standard final rendering mode.
3. Don't use the lighting tools if you are going to use Photo Render. You will get better results applying light emission effects to surfaces like light bulbs.
If I just want to brighten up an area I do use point lights sometimes (in ambient mode only).
4. The lower the lighting the longer the render takes to resolve out of that paintbrush look. When I'm ready to present to client I'll set final render time to at least 30 minutes, up to an hour.
5. I turn gamma correction up to 3/4th, or higher for interior shots.
6. Turn object quality down while creating the design. Quality will be automatically set to high when exporting final render image.
In your edited file (attached), MH did the above steps and exported a 10 minute render. You can see also the rendered image (attached).
FloorPlan, as any program, has a learning curve. The best way to learn the program, IMO, is practice + practice + practice => Read and follow the manual (this is important) => try to create elements not related with your project, so you will become familiar with the commands and how to manage the different components and settings.
If you are interested, check my eBooks, exclusive for FP users
Hope this helps.
#46
V17 - 2026 Looking for Help? / Re: Crash to Desktop when atte...
Last post by Patricia G. - October 30, 2024, 06:59:23 PMQuote from: Patricia G. on October 30, 2024, 10:23:53 AMTo attach the file to the post, please, zip it.
Yes, this is why I told you to zip the file
#47
V17 - 2026 Looking for Help? / Re: Crash to Desktop when atte...
Last post by Rob Ainscough - October 30, 2024, 06:49:46 PMHi Patricia,
Please see attached file. Your website doesn't support .PRO files so I zipped it up to a .zip
Rob.
15115 NW Francesca Dr.zip
Please see attached file. Your website doesn't support .PRO files so I zipped it up to a .zip
Rob.
15115 NW Francesca Dr.zip
#48
V17 - 2026 Looking for Help? / Re: Crash to Desktop when atte...
Last post by Patricia G. - October 30, 2024, 04:28:19 PMOK, waiting for the file.
#49
V17 - 2026 Looking for Help? / Re: Crash to Desktop when atte...
Last post by Rob Ainscough - October 30, 2024, 03:05:38 PMYes, referring to AMD and nVidia GPU. But also the machine that CTDs is AMD CPU 7950X. The CPU that does NOT CTD is Intel 12900K.
Will get you a screenshot of rendered output tonight. I am familiar with PBR and how good it can look, especially in 3DSMax.
Will get you the PRO file tonight. I have not yet defined a Roof nor applied materials to the wall/floor but I can't imagine that would have any impact to what I seeing for rendered output.
Will get you a screenshot of rendered output tonight. I am familiar with PBR and how good it can look, especially in 3DSMax.
Will get you the PRO file tonight. I have not yet defined a Roof nor applied materials to the wall/floor but I can't imagine that would have any impact to what I seeing for rendered output.
#50
V17 - 2026 Looking for Help? / Re: Crash to Desktop when atte...
Last post by Patricia G. - October 30, 2024, 02:54:35 PMHi Rob,
1 - I assume you are referring to AMD and Nvidia video cards: I have both AMD and Nvidia video cards since 2001 and both render without problems.
2 - Photo realistic rendering in FP 2022: it doesn't use video card for Photo Realistic Rendering because LuxCore is Physically Based Rendering. It means that is based on calculations / equations.
3 - Check my website and my galleries to see rendering samples.
I think that there is another problem in the file, so as soon as you send me the file I will check it with one of the programmers and Sakhawat Ali (I discussed the case with them today).
1 - I assume you are referring to AMD and Nvidia video cards: I have both AMD and Nvidia video cards since 2001 and both render without problems.
2 - Photo realistic rendering in FP 2022: it doesn't use video card for Photo Realistic Rendering because LuxCore is Physically Based Rendering. It means that is based on calculations / equations.
3 - Check my website and my galleries to see rendering samples.
I think that there is another problem in the file, so as soon as you send me the file I will check it with one of the programmers and Sakhawat Ali (I discussed the case with them today).