Differences in 3D Image export

Started by Dean, February 19, 2021, 06:38:50 AM

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Dean

See attached images.
The png 3D image export appears to be adding some sort of filter to the the final render export.
the bmp 3D image export is correct being how it renders in FloorPlan.
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Patricia G.

This is not related with the program itself but with the different formats and their properties, especially with transparency and compression.
PNG is better because it has transparency built-in, and better definition, therefore the light effects are well defined. BMP is just an uncompressed bitmap.
You can see the difference also in the files' sizes.

There are many online articles about this issue.

Hope this helps.

Dean

Quote from: Patricia G. on February 19, 2021, 10:51:02 AM
This is not related with the program itself but with the different formats and their properties, especially with transparency and compression.
PNG is better because it has transparency built-in, and better definition, therefore the light effects are well defined. BMP is just an uncompressed bitmap.
You can see the difference also in the files' sizes.

There are many online articles about this issue.

Hope this helps.

Hi Patricia,
I'm not so sure about that.
The exported 3D image render should match the final Photo Quality render in FloorPlan in either format.
IMHO  :) and a guess,  I'd say there is either a missing component in Floorplan image export filters or something isn't working correctly, I've never seen this type of behavior before. I mean, the exported Photo quality rendered image should match the original rendered Image in FloorPlan.
What am I supposed to do when making adjustments to materials, lighting etc? just guess on how the exported image will look  :)
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Dean

Quote from: Dean on February 19, 2021, 11:18:00 AM
Quote from: Patricia G. on February 19, 2021, 10:51:02 AM
This is not related with the program itself but with the different formats and their properties, especially with transparency and compression.
PNG is better because it has transparency built-in, and better definition, therefore the light effects are well defined. BMP is just an uncompressed bitmap.
You can see the difference also in the files' sizes.

There are many online articles about this issue.

Hope this helps.

Hi Patricia,
I'm not so sure about that.
The exported 3D image render should match the final Photo Quality render in FloorPlan in either format.
IMHO  :) and a guess,  I'd say there is either a missing component in Floorplan image export filters or something isn't working correctly, I've never seen this type of behavior before. I mean, the exported Photo quality rendered image should match the original Photo quality rendered Image in FloorPlan.
What am I supposed to do when making adjustments to materials, lighting etc? just guess on how the exported image will look  :) since I wont have a true preview of the final render.
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Dean

Quote from: Dean on February 19, 2021, 11:21:29 AM
Quote from: Dean on February 19, 2021, 11:18:00 AM
Quote from: Patricia G. on February 19, 2021, 10:51:02 AM
This is not related with the program itself but with the different formats and their properties, especially with transparency and compression.
PNG is better because it has transparency built-in, and better definition, therefore the light effects are well defined. BMP is just an uncompressed bitmap.
You can see the difference also in the files' sizes.

There are many online articles about this issue.

Hope this helps.

Hi Patricia,
I'm not so sure about that.
The exported 3D image render should match the final Photo Quality render in FloorPlan in either format.
IMHO  :) and a guess,  I'd say there is either a missing component in Floorplan image export filters or something isn't working correctly, I've never seen this type of behavior before. I mean, the exported Photo quality rendered image should match the original Photo quality rendered Image in FloorPlan.
What am I supposed to do when making adjustments to materials, lighting etc? just guess on how the exported image will look  :) since I wont have a true preview of the final render.


Hi Patricia,
I'm not so sure about that.
The exported 3D image render should match the final Photo Quality render in FloorPlan in either format.
IMHO  :) and a guess,  I'd say there is either a missing component in Floorplan image export filters or something isn't working correctly, I've never seen this type of behavior before. I mean, the exported Photo quality rendered image should match the original Photo quality rendered Image in FloorPlan.
What am I supposed to do when making adjustments to materials, lighting etc? just guess on how the exported image will look  :) since I wont have a true preview of the final render.
Lenovo 17.3"Laptop Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-9750H CPU @ 2.6GHz/Turbo boost 6 cores 12 threads.16GB memory.SSD 256GB/HDD 1TB 7200 Rpm.Nvidia Graphics GeForce GTX 1660 Ti 6GB
Windows 10 Home 64 bit
FloorPlan 2020 Pro LightWorks Custom Workshop Pro

Dean

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Dean

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Patricia G.

Quote from: Dean on February 19, 2021, 11:18:00 AM
I'm not so sure about that.
However, this is the way it works, as described by the programmers and my own graphic designer.

Quote from: Dean on February 19, 2021, 11:18:00 AM
The exported 3D image render should match the final Photo Quality render in FloorPlan in either format.
IMHO  :) and a guess
I've never seen this type of behavior before. I mean, the exported Photo quality rendered image should match the original rendered Image in FloorPlan.
Nope, the rendering formats are different because we are talking about Photorealistic rendering.
I'd suggest that you check this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portable_Network_Graphics

Quote from: Dean on February 19, 2021, 11:18:00 AM
What am I supposed to do when making adjustments to materials, lighting etc? just guess on how the exported image will look  :)
Define the settings => use "Preview"

Also, check the different Windows and video card settings re: the different formats. It happened to me with one of my VCs.

Hope this helps.




Dean

hi Patricia,  :)
I tested the other Render engine "3d rendering" excellent quality export 3D images in bmp and png format and there were No differences in the exported  images.
So, the issue is with using the Photo Realistic LightWorks export 3D image. That being said don't you think there is so sort of program error?
I also tested tiff and jpg formats using the Photo realistic export 3D images and they were both identical to the bmp format, the issue is only with png.
I will check my Nvidia settings and get back to you.
Thanks for discussing the issue with me  :)
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Patricia G.

Quote from: Dean on February 19, 2021, 02:34:59 PM
I tested the other Render engine "3d rendering" excellent quality export 3D images in bmp and png format and there were No differences in the exported  images. So, the issue is with using the Photo Realistic LightWorks export 3D image. That being said don't you think there is so sort of program error?
No, because the processes are different. This is why I mentioned the photorealistic rendering. Keep in mind that Lightwork is a different rendering engine.

Quote from: Dean on February 19, 2021, 02:34:59 PM
I will check my Nvidia settings and get back to you.
In the past, I used only AMD video cards and they worked great. My current computer came with a Nvidia VC (could not change it) and I realized that Win 10 settings interfere a lot with Nvidia VCs, especially on laptops. My suggestion => check and try every single setting in your VC as well as computer. Also, try to open the rendered image with different programs and browser and see if you find differences.

Quote from: Dean on February 19, 2021, 02:34:59 PM
Thanks for discussing the issue with me  :)
You're welcome!  8)

Dean

Hi Patricia,
Ok, Windows 10 Photos appears to be the culprit. These others as well, Internet explorer and Adobe acrobat.
The png opened in Paint, Paint 3d ,Snip&Sketch and photoshop elements all display the png correctly  ???
Well, at least now I know,
Thanks again.
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Patricia G.

Hi Dean,

Happened to me the day I bought this computer. This is why I told you to open the images with different programs or browsers.
Glad to know that the issue is solved. 8)


Dean

Quote from: Patricia G. on February 19, 2021, 04:21:25 PM
Hi Dean,

Happened to me the day I bought this computer. This is why I told you to open the images with different programs or browsers.
Glad to know that the issue is solved. 8)

Hi Patricia,
Unlike the export 3D image png result If I use windows snipping tool and save the Final Photo-realistic render as a screen capture in png format the image is correct being that it matches the final render in TFP.
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Patricia G.

This is not my experience, but this depends a lot of the VCs settings.