Hi guys,
While drawing up this large car dealership I was unable to increase the size of the terrain...note the "a" and "b" settings in the screenshot, but where can I alter them?
Gaz
I think I see you are using ProArchitect? If so, I have no idea; maybe Allan knows.
See my attached TFPv16 settings; can change there.
Thanks Doug,
I was using TFP and "upgraded" to ProArchitect...I recall using the screen you displayed to alter the terrain size, and found it odd that I couldn't alter it now...it may be that PA doesn't support this feature! I'll see if Allan knows.
Thanks
Gaz
Hi Garry,
It would appear that you have at some point in this particular model started to use the Terrain "Spot Point" tool. At the time you would have had a prompt that said if you use this option you would no longer be able to use the old Slope etc tools. Having tested it out it appears that you can no longer change the Terrain size after that point either.
I had not realised this myself previously. I am about to apply the latest update so will see if anything has changed and let you know. I will also raise the question on the Envisioneer forum as I would like to know for my own purposes too.
Allan
Hi Allan,
Thanks for looking into it, it's frustrating not being able to adjust the terrain...keep us posted.
Gaz
Hi Garry,
Answer is very simple - just add Spot Points outside the original terrain size and it just grows accordingly!
Allan
Thanks Allan, I'll give it a try...while I have your attention, I have the age-old rendering problem where I CAN render in Advanced but NOT in Basic, but it's an outdoor/exernal view!
I get the error shown below..I know you must get sick of explaining this same thing over and over...but one more time for someone a little slow please...
..and yes...the dealership IS named after you! (for copyright reasons I can't put up the actual name)
Quote from: Allan Chesney on January 15, 2013, 04:06:48 AM
Answer is very simple - just add Spot Points outside the original terrain size and it just grows accordingly!
Good morning Allan, I've searched in all the menus and in the help files and can't find the
"Spot Points" tool, where can I find it?
Gaz
Hi Garry,
It is the last button on the Tereain toolbar. Looks like a target symbol.
The fact that you had lost the Terrain size boxes I assumed you must have used it already. The size adjustment boxes only disappear after you use the tool.
Allan
Quote from: Allan Chesney on January 15, 2013, 05:26:55 PM
I assumed you must have used it already. The size adjustment boxes only disappear after you use the tool.
I don't recall ever having seen it let alone use it, but I can't readjust the terrain at the moment, so maybe I did!
Gaz
Allan here's a screenshot of my menus...no "target"-like icon under Terrain???
Gaz
Hi Garry,
The image below shows the Terrain toolbar with the Spot Point tool icon (target like) and also the menu option too. You will notice too from the background image that the Terrain can be an odd shape using the Spot Points tool.
This is from Envisioneer so I assumed the ProArchitect would be the same, since your dialog box earlier (with TIN setting) is the same as the Envisioneer one. Normally the 3D part of all these programs are identical to Envisioneer, (TFP included - V17 when it is released presumably will pick up this option also). I noticed that the Import Site Data option is missing from your toolbar as well.
Since you have the same Properties dialog box, the tools must presumably be somewhere (unless they forgot them! ::) ).
Does it appear in the Insert menu list?
Allan
Hi Allan,
I NEVER recall having seen those two icons before, and as you can see from my screenshot, they are missing now!
Gaz
Hi Garry,
Looks suspiciously like a program update is required! ::)
I will see what I can find out.
Allan
Thank you sir.
Hi Garry,
You can find Pro Architect 8.1 update here :
http://www.cadsoft.com/software_updates.php (http://www.cadsoft.com/software_updates.php)
Terrains are new in this latest version.
Here is a link showing them used for a Walkout basment.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on07xcqibCM&list=UUF7Kwl8QbhOVqmUzSq1ZrFw&index=3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=on07xcqibCM&list=UUF7Kwl8QbhOVqmUzSq1ZrFw&index=3)
If you don't have the point option in Pro Architect, then there is a possible bug. I will check on that feature.
Jack
Thank you Jack
Gaz
I checked and Pro Architect doesn't have TIN terrain optons. The only way you should get the non sizeable terrain dialog , is if the original file was done in a full version of Envisioneer.
If it was done fully in Pro Architect, then I'd say there is a bug somewhere.
Can you reproduce the situation in a new file ?
If you can , post the details and I will let Cadsoft know.
Jack
Hi Garry,
While you are checking maybe try the other Template also - it may be OK. An earlier version of TFP was initially released with an Envisioneer template in it and it had all sorts of interesting effects!! It unlocked many other features. This may be a similar thing - unocked the TIN Terrain dialog when it shouldn't have. Of course, both metric and Imperial templates could have the problem too.
Did you try using the Slope tool for example to extend off the terrain?
It would not normally have the effect of extending the terrain but if there is some TIN functionality there it may we worth a try - you never know, it may work.
If not and all else fails (and you don't want to start again!) you could just use a Floor or Pad for the Terrain. I did that once for a movie where I wanted a circular terrain, as the camera was moving around the house and I didn't want the horizon going in and out at the corners of the Terrain. Here is where the movies ended up - all the animations were done in TFP: www.synergy.net.au/renovator (http://www.synergy.net.au/renovator). You will notice when you rotate the house that the 'horizon' remains a gentle curve.
Allan
Hi Garry,
Just out of interest, could you post a copy of the Template file that you used? I would like to see what happens with it in Envisioneer.
Allan
Hi guys,
I've attached a file of a very simple house shell (for use as a background model in an animation). I made it from scratch and as you can see the terrain is set at this odd size...very frustrating! See what you can do with it.
Speaking of animations, Allan did you get to see the step animation I made based on your suggestions? ( http://youtu.be/1xr_Da0HkoA )
Gaz
I tried to open the .bld file with TFP v16 and it would not open and crashed/closed TFP....file was generated with a version newer than TFP v16 ...I assume you used ProArchitect and TFP is not compatible...no surprise.
Hi Garry,
I have opened, extended the terrain and saved it again as a 7.2 version which ProArchitect should open. As Doug said, TFP V16 will not open it as Pro Architect is later than TFP V16 but V17, when released, should open it.
When I open it in Env 8.1 the Terrain dialog is as you get it - no sizing options only TIN smoothing but I still have the Spot Point and opter Terrain options, so I was able to extend the Terrain that way. As mentioned earlier you could just simply use a floor as the Terrain and even use Surfaces to make basic slopes etc.
It looks like a bug in ProArchitect that you are getting the wrong Terrain dialog - obviously the recent update did not fix it.
Can you please post the default Template that was used for this, just so I can see what happens with it when it is used in Envisioneer? (it is in the Templates folder and you can identify which one was used in Settings / Program Settings/ General).
Yes I did see the amination - very nice - gives a good idea of the building process. I was trying to find the one I did earlier but it is on an old computer I suspect. Mine was solid brick so did not use the framing. Will post it when I find it.
Allan
Hi Allan,
Here's the template...
Hi guys,
I found a solution to the problem...I copied the metric template from the TurboFloorPlan folder into the ProArchitect folder and inside the PA settings I made that template the default...I amnow able to resize my terrains ;D
Thanks for your help and suggestions.
Gaz
Hi Garry,
The ProAchitect Template opens in Envisioneer without the ability to change the size of the Terrain, so that is obviously the issue. Using the Env templates it opens with a sizeable terrain, until you start to use the new terrain tools, then it reverts to the TIN terrain which you can resize with the Spot Point tool.
The TFP template shoould work OK but are you sure it has not disabled some other ProArchitect tools? Are the 2D worksheet tools still available for example?
Allan
Quote from: Allan Chesney on February 03, 2013, 02:12:45 AM
The TFP template shoould work OK but are you sure it has not disabled some other ProArchitect tools? Are the 2D worksheet tools still available for example?
Your suspicions were correct Allan, while I was able to resize the TFP terrrain within PA, I no longer have any of the PA's working drawings tools :(
Gaz
Hi Garry,
I have attached two Envisioneer templates for you to try. I am not sure where Pro Architect will fit as far as compatibility goes, but the first one one is a V7 template and the other V8. If it won't open V8 then use the V7 - it should work but can't be sure - it may unlock other things too ;) or may be even be unstable :( , but one of them may get you around the problem.
I have no idea why they are so much smaller than yours!
Anyway it will be interesting to see how they go.
Allan
Okay, both of those templates allow me to adjust the terrain sizes from within PA, and also give me back 4 basic drawing pages. ;D While it's not the 20 pages I had originally, most of those I didn't use anyway, so I can live with it. Thanks for the documents Allan.
Gaz
Hi Garry,
You should still be able to add the extra sheets. Envisioneer only defaults to 4.
Allan
Quote from: Allan Chesney on February 04, 2013, 05:43:03 AM
You should still be able to add the extra sheets. Envisioneer only defaults to 4.
Good morning Allan,
I've attached two screenshots;
The first is of the pages available to me in the View Manager of my original PA template (with a non-resizable terrain).
I can add and remove the pages I need here.
The second is of the 4 default pages available in the Env template (resizable terrain).
I cannot see how to add my drawing pages into the Env version. Any ideas?
Gaz
Hi Garry,
That is the usual Envisioneer dialog. You should be able to right click and add as many sheets as you like. PA has presumably been formalised more.
Allan
Thank you, I'll have a play with it and see how I go...looks like a LOT of work if I have to redo all the detail I had before! :'(
Gaz