I have a problem which looks like a bug. Suddenly some floors are flipped upside-down, i.e., floor sufrace and reverse side are reversed such that floor side are down and vice versa, and exterior walls features (sills, drop) disappear. This happens as a side effect of something I do, but I can't figure out what.
Is this a known bug or am I doing something wring?
/Sven
Hi Sven, I have never seen this problem before, can You send a bld file then the problem appear and I will look at it.
/Robert
Sounds like you've everted the model...
But how ???
This thread will bear watching !!
Sven,
I have not seen this either. Do the effects stay reversed or do they switch back at other times?
Also - do you definitely only have one floor? It is possible to insert multiple floors into the same room - there is no warning. Maybe this could have the effect that looks like a reversal of the floor - sometimes you get both surfaces at one time.
Do you get the same effect with Hardware Acceleration OFF?
As Robert said it would be interesting to see the file.
Allan
Hi everyone. I attach the plan which shows the two "bugs".
Example of Reversed Floor: Using 2D Designers View of location "Underv
Sorry, you have got more elements than you need. Try minimising your addition of ceilings and floors to those you need, in other words, minimise. If you add ceilings and floors by 'room' you will get a better esult. Also, try to remove walls you do not need rather than making 'holes' in them to create, a hallway for example.
Sorry, this is a bit 'messy' and is more a patchwork quilt than anything else.
Sven,
I have had a look at your model and as you say the floor and wall sections are reversed for no apparent reason. I deleted the floor and inserted a new one (by room) and it was OK.
I have highlighted each section of the reversed wall with a different texture and the are 10 difference sections of which a few are reversed. Did the wall start out as one wall? If it did I can't understand why some sections are reversed. Some pieces of the wall overlap others and most seem to have different drop faces some as big as the wall itself. It may be a bit of work to restore floors and ceilings but I would be inclined to delete all these wall pieces and replace them with a single wall for each storey and I think you will find this will solve the problem, although it does not explain why they are reversed. Unfortunately you cannot use the right click and Replace each section, as it replaces it with the new wall reversed also.
There is a bug with the window sill on inside walls and because it is seeing this section as inside, this is probably the reason this one is not working. If you replace the wall it should be OK.
Allan
Alan, if you do not have complete 'rooms' you are building 'problems' into the design. The advice of the professionals is to 'draw it clean, the way you would build it'.
Too many sections be they walls or ceilings/floors will just confuse the issue. Fewer sections and more integrity.
I have got Sven's design direct to my mail and I have send him my reply in Swedish, my conclusion was the same as Allan and Mike. Sven's design is a old house I think around 1940 so this will explaining all this diffrent type of walls.
If you use one type of wall then you begin to draw the exterior walls for example exterior concrete wall 500 mm hight by location, after that you can change the gabels to brick walls 500 mm or 300 mm whit out the in closed area will be corrupt, You must draw exterior walls so that all corners is connected correct. The you can do the interior walls, on tip turn of auto floor and ceiling.
Robert
Thank you all for your input. Actually, the house is in the ciry of Stockholm and is built around 1880 at which time they had enormous apartments (you may have watched Bergman's Fanny and Alexander, in which case you know what I mean). Then, in the 30's they cut up these apartments and made smaller ones and that is when the sometimes bizarre floor-plans emerged. And the mix of walls, some made of brick with clusters of chimney and ventilation pipes, others simple 2x4, 2x6 and 4x6 interor walls.
In my reply to Robban in Swedish I believe that they should add a feature to TFP so that one could force floor and ceiling trim to be placed where floor and ceiling actuall intersect with walls, not to where the walls begin and end. This "problem" caused me to have to experiment with the "walls" concept until I realized that I actually had to divide the "common" walls between the "half-levels" in the stair case and the main levels into one staircase wall and another walls for the main level. But that was after I had attempted to split the common walls to try to get the trim right... And, while I was experimenting with the walls, the floors suddenly disappeared which caused me to become really careful not to disturb the house of cards. I belive another feature could be for the program to warn whenever you attempt something that will cause a floor (or something else) to disappear as a side effect.
Anyhow, this has been an interesting experience and I thank you all for your input.
/Sven
Hi Sven,
I am afraid the program not allowing for walls having different thicknesses is a common one and will not go away soon. However, it may be possible to use 'plugs' made from blocks or import the external walls in complete levels (sections) from sketchup. This may assist you, I am looking into this so will get back to you when I have some news.
Mike, Yes you can use diffrent thickness but first You draw a wall that enclosed the area after that You can change the wall as You will, you can even split a wall in the middle so you make a real screen door whit 2 doors.
Robert
Thanks for the reminder Robert, proves the rule that we all need a reminder now and again. I also need to read the manual each time I come back to this program.
Have a great new year folks, I reckon 2008 is going to be pretty good.
Quote from: robban on December 27, 2007, 01:49:21 PM
The you can do the interior walls, on tip turn of auto floor and ceiling.
Robert,
You mentioned "turning off auto floor and ceiling". I have not found anywhere to turn on 'auto ceilings' (which I would like to do). Have you found that setting somewhere?
Allan
Hi, 'Classic' FP had problems with walls of different thicknesses meeting. They were a recipe for 'jaggies', large or small 'spurs' that prevented further work on intersection until resolved...
IIRC, there were two partial 'fixes'. First route was to use a stub wall to 'glue' the join. Second was to use a grid size that anchored *both* thicknesses' centre-lines...
'Bigger Hammer' alternative was to shrug, 'layer' several locations, and over-lay reluctant lengths of walls as free-standing objects. This sometimes required invisible walls attached to the free-standers to make them into skinny 'rooms' to access surface properties etc...
[FX: Shudder... I *hated* working with Invisible Walls.]
Quote from: Allan Chesney on December 28, 2007, 12:50:04 AM
Quote from: robban on December 27, 2007, 01:49:21 PM
The you can do the interior walls, on tip turn of auto floor and ceiling.
Robert,
You mentioned "turning off auto floor and ceiling". I have not found anywhere to turn on 'auto ceilings' (which I would like to do). Have you found that setting somewhere?
Allan
Allan It was a misstake of me there is only turning off for the floor, it looks like that off is default for ceilings in Home & Landscape version of TFP and no ways to auto ceiling.
Happy New Year to all. / Robert
/ Robert
Robert,
What a shame - I thought for a moment that there was a way of doing it.
Nik,
Re walls in TFP - they are totally different. No such thing as Invisible walls although there is a room divider but I have not had to use that yet. All walls have 3 sides; Exterior (if you join them all to make a room) and a left and right Interior. All have totally customisable trim, baseboard, cornice, openings etc and even 2D line styles, colours, thicknesses etc for each part of the wall - even the airspace!
Walls can have sloping bottom or top or (both), they can be stepped or extend to the roof. Height and thickness can be set before or after insertion. You can break them (to change the thickness for example in one section) and even extend them out of an existing corner. They can be rotated (individually or grouped), copied to another location, moved as a group, copied and dupicated, mirrored, elevated, replaced with another wall type and curved (just right click and drag).
The appearance can be changed and the internal framing is totally customisable from all types of wood to steel and even the steel profile is also fully customisable (28 different profiles) including the thickness of the steel. You can specify cut lengths , prices etc and even the angle of the cuts, supplier, manufacturer and part number!
Probably the only similarity with walls in the old FloorPlan is the name - Wall!
Allan
Quote from: Allan Chesney on December 28, 2007, 11:20:53 AM
No such thing as Invisible walls although there is a room divider but I have not had to use that yet.
It is a very usefully tool I use it to make this image.
It speak for it self, the wall is 500 mm concrete block wall that Sven has made.
Robert