how do i put a roof on a raised bit of a house?

[anon125]

another little problem
it wont let me join the raised wall on the right - to the front. always adds another bit.
then it LOOKS like it does not fit - when looking from the outside.
i can live with it - but...

[Allan Chesney]

The roof is protruding into the foyer bacause the overhang is set to 12". This will have to be set to a fraction of an inch  and the roof alignment positioned accurately. You also need to follow Roberts images to change the edges of this cut out to gable so that the roof slopes the right way around the foyer.

The problem with the raised wall at the front is caused by the room divide 'invisible walls' that are still there.  The image below will explain about these.  These must all be deleted before you attempt any further edits or you will continue to have problems. The image only show the ones near this corner of the foyer but there are others elsewhere also. The invisible wall appears to go right around the room on the right and through it too. When you delete this you must get all the bit that are left each side (and inside) any walls that the invisible wall crosses.  Even the tiny bits (eg the one marked by '1' on the image) must be deleted. It is this tiny fragment that is causing your upper wall to break and the lower one also. When you move the mouse on the the Invisible Wall you should get a little popup that says "Wall Surfaces". I think that was there in V12 but on V15 it also says the floor level too. Make sure you get that before you click especially if you are trying to delete bits where it crosses another wall. It will always be a single line as it has no depth.

These upper and lower walls also are not in line (they may not be supposed to be but look as though they should be. The upper one is also slighly crooked (not at right angles)  Turn Ortho on the status bar on to ensure right angles when drawing walls.

I noticed too that the floors do not align with the walls so you will possibly have gaps around the edges (no good if there are mice in your area!!)
It is good to zoom in close on the plan like this to really see if there are problems, especially if you draw by Picking Points.

Allan

[anon125]

thanks
oops!
i got rid of that invisible wall thanks
but the wall looks 'crooked' from the plan 2d view.
how do i make sure walls are straight?
i still don't understand the roof thing - yes i am a bit slow!
i can make the overhang .1 or something but it wont overhange the side of the garage then!
AHA it is NOT the .1 that is the problem.
to have the eaves at the side of the garage i need to place in NOT accurate as far as the foyer goes.
maybe a ceiling will hide it.
AHA again! I split the roof so it sticks out over the side of the garage.
thanks all- the foyer aint perfect but it will have to do.
thanks for your patience! both of you!

[Allan Chesney]

but the wall looks 'crooked' from the plan 2d view.
how do i make sure walls are straight?

You cannot straighten a wall that already exists  - you would need to redraw it. Best way, as mentioned in the previous reply, is to turn Ortho ON (Status bar). You can then only place things, draw walls etc at right angles. Turn if off again for angled walls.

the foyer aint perfect but it will have to do.

If you do decide later to proceed to sort the foyer out properly, it may be better to restart that part of the house. It would probably be easier than trying to fix it, as there are still a number of issues (raising walls for example can be a problem as it breakes the wall below it - causes mitred angles etc on the lower walls that are joined to the raised bit). Before you start to redo it ask for the best way to go about it at the time.

Allan

[anon125]

tried driving out of the garage. wow lots of damage to the car.
cos the driveway is a foot below the garage door!
same for the front door.
do i select everything and elevate it minus 12inches
fills and paths are at terrain level - i think.
thanks for all your help.

[anon125]

How do i get the roof over the front window to be like in the picture.
steeper yes - what else?
thanks all
PS still finding those invisible walls!

[Allan Chesney]

Hi again,

tried driving out of the garage. wow lots of damage to the car.
cos the driveway is a foot below the garage door!
same for the front door.

The problem arises becasue you have the Floor Level of the Ground Floor Location set to 12" (which is the default setting).  It assumes you have a floor that is 12" thick and it sits on the Terrain which is 0". Because you have your garage at the same 12" level you end up with a drop to the terrain from the door and garage.

So some questions:
What is the height of the floor above the ground (terrain)?  Presumably at the front door there is a step of some sort. On the photo there appears to be a small step so maybe the floor level should have been say 4" (1 brick?).

What is the level of the garage floor compared to the house? If the garage has a lower level it should have been on a separate location (with a floor level of zero maybe?). Or is the garage and house floor the same but the drive slopes up to the garage slightly? That is the usual situation.

Fills and paths are at Terrain level as you said but there are a number of ways to solve this problem, depending on the circumstances:

1. Dearest option: Buy a high clearance 4 wheel drive vehicle and dispose of the wreaked car! (and build a step at the front door!)

2. Cheapest (easiest) option:  Raise the Terrain (Settings / Programme Settings/ Terrain)

3. Difficult Option:  Lower all the locations to the true height of the floor above the ground (4"?) You must alter all locations - they will all move down accordingly. That will give you a 4" drop from the garage (you don't need the 4WD for that - as long as you do not drive in too fast!)

4. Ugly option:  Make the drive 12" thick. (Extra concrete costs and make sure you do not trip off the edge of it !)

5. Slope Option 1:  Use the Stairs - Ramp tool, to make a gently slope up to the garage. (No site works required!)

6. Slope Option 2:  Use the Surfaces tool to make a gentle slope (moderate difficulty but no site works charges)

7. Slope Option 3 (probably most difficult):  Use the Terrain slope tool to make a negative slope of the whole terrain away from the house. (extensive site works required and hence costly - not as much as 4WD though!)

8. Most Difficult (but probably the correct way):  Make a new Location for the garage with a floor level of 0 (or 1" - whatever it is), wall height set to make the top of it the same as the rest of the house (so if you make the Garage floor 1" then the wall height would be 11" higher than they were).
Then the problems start: In Plan view select all the Garage walls and right click Duplicate to Locations (Garage) then delete them from the Ground floor. You have to make sure that exterior walls on the ground floor are still connected so they adopt the exterior texture and sometimes invisible walls are needed to make these continuous. (This option is costly in time and money - demolition and reconstruction and you know what contractors are like these days!)

My suggestion - option 2 or 5 (or a combination).

How do i get the roof over the front window to be like in the picture.
steeper yes - what else?

Is the roof actually steeper? Is it the roof overhang that is longer?

Allan

[anon125]

WOW!!!!!! thanks again
i will work on the first steps.
this house is in a retirement area so no steps above 4inches.
garage is at ground level of course.
the ramp tool lets me change everything - except what i need - the length!
"Use the Surfaces tool to make a gentle slope " where is it!!!

roof. the top roof is joined to the main roof- the main roof is higher.
so i think a much steeper angle will be required.
also the shape of the roof is different than the picture.
the foyer goes into the slope of the main roof.
thanks again

[Kajvin - Robert W]

Hi Anon! If you look at my post with the roof yo will get your anserw to the roof ther. The Ramps, that  I have to look at I com to same result as you, but I think you have to use a custom straight ramp, with segments.
/Robert

[anon125]

sorry robban- still don't get it!ps
plans says roof slope is 8/12
thanks

[Allan Chesney]

Hi again,

the ramp tool lets me change everything - except what i need - the length!
"Use the Surfaces tool to make a gentle slope " where is it!!!

The height of the ramp is set on the Basic tab (4" atthe garage door). On the Layout tab you set the degrees of slope. This will automatically set the length to give you that degree of slope to finish at 4" high.

The Surfaces tool is on the toolbar right next to the Roof tool - it is much harder to use than the ramp!

Allan

[Kajvin - Robert W]

sorry robban- still don't get it!ps
plans says roof slope is 8/12
thanks

I have made some more images for you Foyer2b, 2c, and 2d.
Follow step 1 to 6 there after follow image Foyer3 the result shall be something like step 7 in image Foyer 2d.
Step  E and F in Foyer3 is necessary if for the result if you not shall us a attic.
This will work with all slops of the roof no matter if it 4/12, 6/12 or 8/12 or something else.

If you don't understand be free to ask again.

[anon125]

thanks
maybe i a missing something.
the main roof to the right of the foyer the problem.
i need it to be as in top pic - not as in your bottom pic
see my pic of the house.
thanks a lot you 2

[Kajvin - Robert W]

Anon
I will download your house and see that the problem is.
/Robert

[Kajvin - Robert W]

Anon
I will download your house and see that the problem is.
/Robert

Now Have I look more in to details, will my suggestion to that export a 2d image that drawing you have now, then import it to a new drawing.

Before you import it to new drawing you have to Unmarked automatic floor in settings and set the location right, If you not have any basement on the house skip Foundation,
Setting for Location
(Ground Floor) Floor level to 4" Head Height to  ceiling to 96" walls to 96",  ad a new location Foyer Floor level 4"+96"=100" Head height to 40" Ceiling Height to 48" Wall Height 48", this will give you a foyer with high to the ceiling = 144".
Import your drawing as a traced image then trace the image one location at the time.

Begin with the external walls, then interior walls use full height walls no special walls. Places there are an opening between rooms use Openings this can you adjust. so you only draw full height walls. Now you can ad floors by room, if you will use 2 different mtrl. on the floor can you use room divider this is the only time you need to use it in this project.Now it is time for Foyer location and this fast to do this is only 4 small walls nothing more the only thing more on this location is roof and ceiling maybe some lighting..
Select the ground Level and to every thing in this level even the window over the entry door.  Then you will add the roof follow my images Foyer 2B to Foyer 3.

/Robert